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If the Omen is as good as KB says, that might be my rifle of choice for both scenarios.  One would be hard pressed to find a better all-around rifle than a 18" 300WM AR.  I wouldn't want to clear rooms with it, but the M4 does fine in that role, better than fine, really.

Keep in mind, I live in the freedom that is NOT California, so my rifle shooting is almost always suppressed.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

If the Omen is as good as KB says, that might be my rifle of choice for both scenarios.  One would be hard pressed to find a better all-around rifle than a 18" 300WM AR.  I wouldn't want to clear rooms with it, but the M4 does fine in that role, better than fine, really.

Keep in mind, I live in the freedom that is NOT California, so my rifle shooting is almost always suppressed.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the usefulness of a 300WM 18" barrel AR.  It is definitely an awesome thing for bragging rights.

As far as California goes...  well, that's just a low blow.

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Originally posted by probably probably wrote:

Ilya,

what criteria do you use for your big game hunting scope choice? 

My primary concern is distinguishing features in low light.  This year during rifle season there were a fair number of cloudy, dark, overcast days when there was still shooting time on the clock at dawn and dusk, but even though the deer were visible and would have been shootable in the scope, we could not clearly discern antlers.

For 15 years I have used a zeiss diavari V t* as my go-to on my primary hunting rifle, and use Swarovski binos as a comparison.  This year a new meopta r2 hung right there with it, and an older Kahles helia, swaro habicht,  zeiss diavari C and new meopta meopros were pretty good as well. All of this second grouping were fairly close - we found deer with the binos, and were then able to find them in the riflescope; although some were blurrier and darker than others.  The biggest disappointment was a brand new VX3i with a 50mm bell.  That was by far the dimmest and blurriest of all, to the point where the image was more of a vague dark blob than an obvious deer as shown by the binos.  

So I guess my question is whether or not that Leica Magnus is so vastly superior in those conditions that I would relegate the zeisses, swaros, and others to the back of the gun cabinet, or if it would just be a slight improvement that only a trained observer would appreciate.  


Magnus is about as good as modern scopes get, right alongside Swaro Z8 and Z6.  I think these two are a bit better than the competing designs in that same price range.

Whether is is vastly superior is open to interpretation since it is a very personal thing.  The rifle Magnus is on had Kahles KXi 3.5-10x50 on, and Magnus is significantly better to my eyes.  Is it sufficiently better to show you something that Kahles doesn't?  Only under very difficult conditions.

Generally, you get into a case of diminishing returns once you get past $1k or so, depending on configuration, but that is the case with most products.  However, a little extra margin never hurt anyone as long as you are willing to suffer the pricetag.

And for the record, while I am no fan of VX-3i, it was never designed to compete against Kahles and other higher end scopes in low light.

ILya
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