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I just picked up a new Weatherby Vanguard .223 and I am now looking at scopes.
I have Leupold VX-3 and Zeiss Conquest on (4) other guns to give you an idea of what I am used to. I plan to use this rig for coyotes in South Texas where shots can range from 50-300 yards.
My VX-3's have the CDS System and my Zeiss are just straight Duplex.
I am thinking that the Boone & Crockett reticle will be more practical for varming hunting since most shots at coyotes are quicker and don't give you the time to play with a range finder and CDS dial.
 
I could go with the new VX-1, 4x12x40 with Long Range Reticle for $300, VX-3 3.5x10x40 B&C for around $550 or jump to the VX-4 4.5x14x40 B&C for $600.
 
This is a gun that I will probably shoot more at the range than in the field as I only shot 3 coyotes this year.
 
If I save the $300 I can use it on a new rangefinder?
 
Thanks for you ideas?
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I would get the Varmint Hunter's Reticle.  It is much more usefull as a BDC than the B&C
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Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
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Stock # - TR222G
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  • Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot
  • 30mm
$870.95
I went with this for my coyote rifle  super bright at night with an illuminated reticle and you can use the mil dots for hold over like a balistic reticle by running a balistic chart with drop in Mil s
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Agree with Ur, why not just go with a Mil/Mil scope or if you choose a Moa/Moa matched scope?
 
With a little work on your part - if you use different loads or just one favorite load on your gun, you are able to use it similar to a BDC type reticle.  Spend some range time with your load or loads and work out your dope for your gun.  Now if you have turrets that match your reticle you have the option to dial in correction or hold over, giving you the best of both worlds.
 
If it were me, and this is just my opinion, I would first make sure what ever scope I was after has matching turrets and reticle.  It just makes everything that much easier.
 
SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42MQ
  • Matte
  • Patented First Focal Plane Mil-Quad Reticle
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
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Vortex 4-16x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope Vortex 4-16x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - PST416F1A
  • Matte
  • EBR-1 MOA Reticle
  • 30mm
  • First Focal Plane Reticle
  • .25 MOA Adjustments
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Stock # - PST416S1M
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  • EBR-1 Mil Reticle
  • 30mm
  • .10 Mil Adjustments
$699.95
You can also keep an eye on the SWFA sample list to save a few bucks.

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You seem to be set on leupold, if thats the case I'll throw another in the mix. 
Leupold 3-9x40 VX-R Patrol Tactical 30mm Riflescope Leupold 3-9x40 VX-R Patrol Tactical 30mm Riflescope
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This one has illumination which may come in handy.  It is also a step above in the glass department than most things I am use to from Leupold.  (i.e. your getting more of your money's worth)  I used one for about 4 months and traded it in because I already had a SWFA SS 3-9.   The VXR series from Leupold has been a step in the right direction for Leupold.
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Some that would probably compete with the vx-1 might be the vortex viper 4-12 for about $399 or the nikon buckmasters. I also had a burris FFII 4.5x14 that was a pretty nice scope for the money and they turn up on the sample list for $200 or so frequently.
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I keep thinking this looks like a good deal :
SPL15256 Nikon 5-20x44 Monarch Rifle Scope DEMO-B
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What do you like about the varmint versus the bdc?
 
Does it show up good against a hide in low light?
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The varmint reticle has better wind compensation, and it doesn't have those strange thickening lines.  It has windage lines on the main crosshair, so you can also dial and hold.  My buddy has one on a Cooper .223 for the same uses, and he really likes it.  It is kind of thin, but still pretty useable in low light.
 
I can't remember what the subtensions are, but you are going to want to verify what your actual yardages are for the drop crosshairs.
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If you could get a VXR Patrol 3-9 for 500 would it be worth it over the SS? I am looking for a 3 gun scope because I have some eye issues and a scope with an illuminated reticle would really help me. With quick shots.
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Originally posted by moagm316 moagm316 wrote:

If you could get a VXR Patrol 3-9 for 500 would it be worth it over the SS? I am looking for a 3 gun scope because I have some eye issues and a scope with an illuminated reticle would really help me. With quick shots.
I had both the SS 3-9 and the Patrol, I kept the SS 2-9.  The only thing the SS doesn't have that would be one a wish (not need) is an illuminated reticle, I imagine if we wait long enough, that will happen though. Other than that  it beat the Patrol for my needs.
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IMO, for shots out to 300 yards you don't need any fancy reticles.  A 3-9/3-10 with regular plex, rifle sighted in at MPBR, and you're there.  Very simple.  
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Howdy snuff,
 Since you like Conquests,  have you checked their Rapid Z-600 reticles?  If you are really into speedy target acquisition, the #4a reticle would be great and you could learn holdover... not a biggie with .223 effective range. I really like my Rapid-z600 3-9.
Conquests have a $50 rebate. right now.
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Conquest-Rifle-Scopes-C239.aspx?s=Name%20ASC&p=0 

Hello moagm316,
Some 3-gun competitors I know use a lower- power range to compete. like 1-4x.

SWFA has an Optisan illuminated package deal right now...
http://swfa.com/Optisan-1-4x24-Mamba-EAR30-Mount-Combo-P51887.aspx

I know nothing about Leupold VXR Patrol scopes, but those 1.25-4 patrols and standard VXRs (less expensive) look like great little scopes and some reticles, like the illuminated 4a are high- visibility.
I don't think there is a comparable $500 scope to the SS 3-9, but they aren't illuminated.
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

IMO, for shots out to 300 yards you don't need any fancy reticles.  A 3-9/3-10 with regular plex, rifle sighted in at MPBR, and you're there.  Very simple.  
 
I don't know JG, some of those low-BC varmint bullets in .223 start seeing some drop and drift out there at 300.
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Good point, you may be right about that.  
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how about one of these... you'll have plenty of $$ left over for a nice range finder.  Put one of these on my son's Rem 700 .308.  Been happy with it so far.

Vortex 6-24x50 Crossfire Rifle Scope Vortex 6-24x50 Crossfire Rifle Scope
Stock # - CRFAO11MDT
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  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
  • Comes with a Sun Shade
$99.95

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