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Hi there.
I new here and i am needing some advice on what scope and mounts i would need for my tikke t3 lite 6.5 x55cal.
I will be stalking deer on mainly open ground in the mountains in Ireland.
The scope will need very good low light brightness as most of the hunting will be done in the first and last 2 hrs of dawn and dusk.
The budget will be around 1500USD. I will go higher if neccessary but explaining it to the Mrs is going to be a curly one.Im sure she`ll get over it..
 
So any advice would be greatly appreciated as it is doing my head in..
 
Many thanks in advance.
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I forgot to mention the range of shot would be around 80-250yds

Thanx again

 

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The budget is pretty sizeable by most standards, so this should put you in the "best Glass" category. Firstly you need to decide on magnification. I would certainly go for nothing less then a 10x. So the 2,5 or 3,5 to 10 comes to mind.

The Schmidt&Bender below looks like a deal to me. At 656 British pound this translates to about US$1325. It is a 3-12x50





Most popular scope, identical to the 3–12 x 42 but with a larger objective lens for outstanding twilight performance. Its slim design still allows relatively low mounts. Appropriate for hunting on any continent in the world. Available with standard and illuminated reticles, and also in our Precision Hunter series

Weight 22 oz.
Twilight factor 8.5/24.5 
Eye relief 3.70" 
Click value .360"
Field of view 33.3/11.4 ft @ 100 yards

 
 


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Thanx 8 shots. That scope you mentioned sound like the business.

You wouldnt know were in the Uk i could get in touch with a s&b dealer.

I do like that price you Mentioned.

Thanks

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Cost is less than you stated but the Bushnell Elite 4200 2.5-10x40 @ $400usd, 1.5-6x36 @ $300 (my pick), or the 3-9x40 @ $250usd would each be good choices. I have a Tikka T3 Hunter with the 3-9x40. I also have the 1.5-6x36 which is good for the close shots out to 300 meters easily. Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 @ $380usd is also a consideration. Use the money you saved on the scope to get a really good pair of binoculars for glassing the mountain sides.
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P.S. large magnification will be a liability at the ranges you anticipate. Light weight and wide field of view will serve you better in my opinion. Check out the Trijicon scopes at around $700usd. GREAT for what you intend.
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dwighet, Google the internet "schmidt and bender uk" and you should find dealers. We do not mention competitor sites etc on the site.
jetwrnch is correct, you can buy several scopes way below your budget. If you want to spend less then your budget there is still lots of good choices, Kahles, Zeis, Leupold, Bushnell etc.
I would not go for anything less then a 10x on a stalk hunt. You spend a lot of time crawling on your knees etc, and when you have a good shot at a stationary animal a good clear sight picture is a pleasure for a sure shot.
With your budget, spend the money once and buy the scope with top end glass and reputation to match. Go for the Schmidt and Bender.
The rest of the forum members are a little behind our GMT time, so just give yourself another 24 hours and the other guys will all pitch in with some good advice.
I hunt kudu in South Africa under similiar circumstances, and I can assure you 10x is not too much power. The 12x offerd by the S&B will come into use and I am willing to bet you that you will hardly ever move it off the 12x except for when following a wounded animal.
 


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I have a 4200 elite 6-24 x40 on my 223 cz varmint. Fantastic scope.......
The 4200 elite was an option i was considering in the lower  magnification but my concern with that scope is would the 40mm bell allow enough light for those early mornings and late evening as that is when the deer here come out of the wood to graze?
 
Good binocs are on the xmas list aswell.
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I would hate to pass up a trophy stag due to the wrong choice in scopes. I have compared my 4200 and my mates s&b at dusk on 6x and to me the s&b wins hands down.
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8 shots..
 
you sold me..S&b it is...
Many thanks..
 
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dwighet, not to belabour the point, but it comes down to what you are willing to spend, which you clearly stated in your opening post as US$1500, and even more if you have to. The top end scopes fall in this price bracket, so go for the top end scopes.

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Hello and welcome, dwighet!  For the average shot distances you describe, I would personally take a slightly different approach than 8shots and be more concerned with the lower end magnification than the upper magnification.  If you know for certain your shots will be limited to 250 yards max, which is a reasonable shot distance, and your primary hunting method is stalking, so you'll also have some close shots, a 1.5-6X42 offers more than enough magnification for the long shots, plus it offers a tremendous field of view on the lower end for close-in work.  The 2.5-10X power range 8shots recommends is indeed a good "all around" magnification range for hunting most anywhere in a variety of conditions, but if your primary focus is stalking, I think the 1.5-6X is a slightly better choice for making fast shots at moving game because of the increased FOV, and you can generally make a shot with both eyes open.  Additionally, it will be lighter, more compact, and a little less expensive than an equivalent quality 2.5-10X.  One thing's for certain, I would not go to the 3-12X magnification range for your stated applications because it's really unnecessary, and I would certainly never go above 4X on the lower end at all on any scope for a general purpose big game rifle.  I think too many people tend to overscope their rifles, thinking more is always better, but when you have to make a quick shot at moving animals, less is usually better.  Once you go up in magnification, you have to have a correspondingly larger objective lens to maintain good light transmission in low light, which can also mean higher scope mounts, which inhibits natural eye to scope alignment and therefore rapid target acquisition.
 
As 8shots recommended, S&B is certainly an excellent choice.  I have a 1.5-6X42 S&B Zenith with Flash Dot reticle that I absolutely love and would consider among the ultimate scopes for stalking game and short to mid range shots in all light conditions.  However, within your stated budget, you should also consider the Zeiss Victory VM/V series, Kahles C, and Swarovski PV/PH.  The Swaro Z6 is even better than the PV, but will be a little beyond US $1500.  If you're willing to go above your stated budget a little, the 1.7-10X42 Z6 covers the best of all worlds magnification-wise, having both plenty of upper end magnification and large FOV on the low end, but unlike the other scopes mentioned, it has a second focal plane reticle, which may or may not be a concern to you. 
 
S&B, Zeiss, Swarovski, and Kahles all offer both 1.5-6X and 2.5-10X models.  Given your budget, which allows for uncompromising optics, I would stay with one of these 4 scope lines, as they are optically the best hunting scopes you can buy, period.  You truly cannot go wrong with any of those choices.
 
Keep us posted on what you decide, and good luck with your hunting!Big%20smile


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Rifledude you are once again on the money. The only difference being our interpretation of stalking. In South African terms, stalking means moving slowly through the bush to selected vantage points. Once there you look for game. If you see any and they are within range (80-300m), you find a good shooting position, take carefull aim and fire. If they are out of range, but within further stalking distance, a person will belly crawl, walk on knees etc to within shooting distance. Again a good shooting position would be adopted and the shot taken. Should they be out of  further stalking range, a hunter will backtrack and find a route to the next vantage point, hopefully within closer distance to the seen game, or just look for other animals.
So at no stage is fast shots taken at moving game. We only take fast shots on moving game during driven hunts, a practice which is hardly done in South Africa any more.
So whilst I fully agree with everything you say, depending on the "type" of stalking dwighet does, I will still recommend the higher magnification.
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If I'm understanding "stalking" as I know if for hunting in the northern forests, I want a very bright scope but not more than 6x unless it has as wide a fov as a typical 6x or wider, and light weight. 
 
Someting like this one...Smile
 
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The Swarovski z6 series is another possible choice. The 1.7-10x42 or 2-12x50 is a pretty good all-around choice and extremely versatile IMHO. Where we hunt for deer in Cali, we stalk, break brush,  sit on point, etc. and the 2x12-50 has been great for me.

http://www.swfa.com/c-978-swarovski-z6-riflescopes.aspx

Two other choices that I really like and may consider one of these for my next scope replacement project, breaking away from the Leupold grasp.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-7279-185-bushnell-25-10x50-elite-4200-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx

http://www.swfa.com/pc-4425-227-trijicon-25-10x56-accu-point-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx




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DWIGHET:
                     The best thing you can do is to buy a Zeiss 2.5-10x50. The series Diavari Z 2.5-10x50 is on promotion.EUR$940. This scope is optically (same lenses) just the same than the famous Zeiss Diavari V.... The differences between both are the weight , slightly less FOV,slightly less eye relief. You can order it by mail. I did it from www.alvarez.com
No problems. Very serious people. If you are not satisfied they will return your money.
If you can afford it then buy the V series. Less weight, little more this, little more that.
Regards.
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My personal view, in woodlands 4-6 power. In more open country 6-10 power.

Just my two cents.
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dwighet,
 
I hail from the intermountain west and use my Tikka T3 lite hunter (270 Win) for cow elk,bear & buck mule deer. The scope I use is a Swarovski 3x9x36 AH model. Great scope, great glass, accurate and rugged as the mountains I hunt in. Never had any problems with it. I've had mine for 5 yrs or so and I think I paid 600usd back then.
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