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How many dudes does it take to manage a buck on a wheeler?  haha.

Very nice deer JG.  Excellent
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

I trusted my VX3 to take this 190" muley buck a couple of weeks ago.  




Holy crap, what a nice buck, JG! Congrats, man!

You obviously have access to some fantastic muley hunting real estate!
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Just this past Saturday, I shot this very nice piggy in South Texas.


I shot it in the face with a 6.5Creedmore topped with a Tangent Theta.  

A stick can kill a lion, if put in the right place with the right force; but why use a stick when something better is available.  And that is my opinion of Leupold - having used many over the years, and broken several.

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They charge a premium for their product, there is no doubt. But the box on the VX-1 I am sending back for a chip in the glass says lifetime forever. I guess we shall see. The chip is my fault, gun slide off the seat in my truck and hit the cup holder. 

I sent my Minox off a couple weeks ago, the seal that goes between the fitting and the first objective lense came out. They said it goes to Germany and expect at least 3 months. 

As for buying them, I don't know what competes with a new VX-1 right now. The one I got that is going back is the 2-7x33 and it was highly recommended for that application. Marlin 30-30 I guess the better option but more expensive would have been a monarch 2-8x32. It supposedly has really nice glass in it. 

The other VX-1 I bought I put on my AR, and I got it on sale. I wasn't looking for anything special for it. 

I don't know where you guys hunt, but down here, unless I want to sit in a shooting house everytime, I have to get in the woods, and that means its thick and full of briars and other things to scratch everything up. A $2500 Swarovski, Zeiss, or Schmidt and Bender would be nice, but it will look like crap in a couple years, and most shots will be less than 100 yards, and I doubt any of those scopes in low light will tell me there are 50 small tree limbs in between my deer and me. 

Don't get me wrong, I know VX-1's do not compete my my Minox, Zeiss, or Monarch's. I don't hunt with my AR, my kids do. Where I use the 30-30, not sure I would see much if any gain upgrading, but I suppose I could. 

Both the Minox and the Zeiss I got a smoking deal on. My big monarch I got a few years back when there was a rebate and traded in a VX2 I bought used for really more than I paid for it. 




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In South Texas, every plant has a thorn of some sort.  Every piece of gear gets covered in dust then rained on to make a gumbo-type slurry, it's awesome.

That said, I have done a fair bit of hunting in woods and timber, and it is indeed a different game.  Better glass will get you a few minutes more at first and last light, and will give you a bit better image at all times, but yea, law of diminishing returns plays a part.  You need something clear and bright, that does well with contrast.

Get what works for you.

Avoid getting a scope with great glass, it'll make everything lesser took way lesser.  Without that side-by-side comparison, you can tolerate much more.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:



A stick can kill a lion, if put in the right place with the right force; but why use a stick when something better is available.  And that is my opinion of Leupold - having used many over the years, and broken several.


I've only killed several hundred inches of mule deer bucks, a couple hundred other head of big game, and countless hogs with Loopy's since 1971.  If it's OK with you I'll keep handicapping myself with them.  I do like the 3-9SS, and much more so the LRHS that sits on my 6.5Creed though, if that makes you feel any better.  
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Originally posted by Lockjaw Lockjaw wrote:

They charge a premium for their product, there is no doubt. But the box on the VX-1 I am sending back for a chip in the glass says lifetime forever. I guess we shall see. The chip is my fault, gun slide off the seat in my truck and hit the cup holder. 

I sent my Minox off a couple weeks ago, the seal that goes between the fitting and the first objective lense came out. They said it goes to Germany and expect at least 3 months. 

As for buying them, I don't know what competes with a new VX-1 right now. The one I got that is going back is the 2-7x33 and it was highly recommended for that application. Marlin 30-30 I guess the better option but more expensive would have been a monarch 2-8x32. It supposedly has really nice glass in it. 

The other VX-1 I bought I put on my AR, and I got it on sale. I wasn't looking for anything special for it. 

I don't know where you guys hunt, but down here, unless I want to sit in a shooting house everytime, I have to get in the woods, and that means its thick and full of briars and other things to scratch everything up. A $2500 Swarovski, Zeiss, or Schmidt and Bender would be nice, but it will look like crap in a couple years, and most shots will be less than 100 yards, and I doubt any of those scopes in low light will tell me there are 50 small tree limbs in between my deer and me. 

Don't get me wrong, I know VX-1's do not compete my my Minox, Zeiss, or Monarch's. I don't hunt with my AR, my kids do. Where I use the 30-30, not sure I would see much if any gain upgrading, but I suppose I could. 

Both the Minox and the Zeiss I got a smoking deal on. My big monarch I got a few years back when there was a rebate and traded in a VX2 I bought used for really more than I paid for it. 





Optics are the least valuable criteria when I choose a riflescope, since any $200 model will get you past legal shooting light nowadays.  The reticle is much more important, as you would obviously be lost without being able to see it in really poor light.  I will agree that retaining POI/POA is the most important asset.  I don't dial my Leupolds much.....very casually.  I've become very fond of the B&C reticle that sits on my 7-08, which launches accubonds at 2820fps.  By sighting in dead on at 215yds, the hashes align perfectly at 300,400,450, and 500 yds.  
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

the LRHS that sits on my 6.5Creed though,  


I love my LHRS, superb scope IMO
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Well this might shock some of you, but believe it or not, I have shot several "doe's" and really cannot see the reticle when it's dark 30. It's not like I don't know where the crosshairs are, they are in the middle on every scope I have ever looked through. 

I usually pull that sort of thing on a greenfield on deer fairly close, say 50 yards or less, although I did bust a doe the first year I had my 308 Ruger Hawkeye compact with its supplied Burris scope at 75 yards or so. 

Burris went bye bye, replaced with a Zeiss. Much better. 
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Tremendous deer, JG! 

Great piggy, RC! 
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

In South Texas, every plant has a thorn of some sort.  Every piece of gear gets covered in dust then rained on to make a gumbo-type slurry, it's awesome.



Man, that's a fact! After hog hunting in TX with friends, I got tired of trying to clean out all the "baby powder" type dust and threw my rifle in the hotel bathtub to get it all out.     
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favorite brands always turn into a pissing contest.  

Leupold will never be my first choice again.  I own quite a few of them. Up until around 18 years ago, it's all I bought. I have shot deer with rifles that had a Leupold mounted on it, but I wouldn't say that the reason for getting that deer *was* the Leupold. On the other hand, the reason I was able to take a few other large buck on subsequent hunting trips *was* because of better optics in low light situations.  Most were with 2 different zeiss scopes, a few were with various meoptas. 

Adding them up, I have much, much more than a few hundred inches of whitetail antlers in my trophy room.  If that is what qualifies my opinion.  But whitetails are pretty much the only thing I ever hunt.  No elk, mule deer, or pigs.  
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Originally posted by probably probably wrote:

  But whitetails are pretty much the only thing I ever hunt.  No elk, mule deer, or pigs.  


That explains it.  It is not possible to hunt elk with anything but a Leupold.  They know and will stay in cover if you try to hunt with anything else. 
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I have lots of pictures of family and friends posing with bucks they've harvested proving without a doubt how good Leupold is.

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The obvious point being, Leupold has not prevented me from taking numerous animals, as many on the internet would like people to believe, due to failure to hold POI, POA, etc.   I've taken lots of animals with other than Leupold as well.  
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I have killed 4 or 5  elk and 8 or 9 deer with a $30 bushnell I ran for many years.  Excellent

The funniest part is I quit using my binoculars because I could see the animals better looking through the $30 scope and through the bino's.  Tells you how good my bino's were.  haha

Sometimes I wish I never would have found opticstalk.com.  I would still using a $30 scope and 50 year old binoculars and have 1000's of extra dollars in my pocket. 
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Yep, I'd still be hunting with Bushnell binos and Leupold var-x II's and III's... and a pocket full of cash.  Big Grin
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I was in Africa and hunted with a Simmons 4X on my 300 Winchester Magnum!  Mouth Taped Shut

One shot for a gemsbuck.....one shot for a springbuck.......( after that the scope might have crapped out....! )  But it was during the apartheid sanctions in the 1980s and you couldn't buy a whole lotta stuff in South Africa then.....


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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by probably probably wrote:

  But whitetails are pretty much the only thing I ever hunt.  No elk, mule deer, or pigs.  


That explains it.  It is not possible to hunt elk with anything but a Leupold.  They know and will stay in cover if you try to hunt with anything else. 

And to hunt the really big ones, you need a Browning BAR...
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That's what I had a browning bar 7mm with a $30 bushnell. 
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I killed quite a few deer with a $40 Korean Simmons in $10 see through rings. Then I missed two deer in the same weekend. And when I tried to check the zero it was so fogged up it took weeks to be usable again.

Next scope was a Redfield in Redfield mounts. Those were the big deal in those parts in those days. Would have been Leupold VXII quality. That was great until I centered a sapling that happened to be in line with where I wanted to shoot a buck at dark thirty one evening. Never saw it until I went to look.

Next scope was a Leupold VXIII in Conetrol mounts. Nary an issue ever mounted for several years on a .300 Win Mag, getting hauled up and down trees. That means it got banged around some, but I never used it for a hammer.

Things have varied and wandered since then, but the point is the better Leupold scopes are as good as anything for what most use them for on hunting rifles. Others are too, of course. 

Except those dang Conquests with their touchy, supposedly constant eye relief. Poker


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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

That's what I had a browning bar 7mm with a $30 bushnell. 


My first deer killed in Alabama was with a 30-06 BAR with a $50.00 Simmons.
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As has been said I have also never had POI or failure to hold zero.
Admittedly the several Leupolds I have are older. The VariX III's with standard plex are terrible in the dense forests in low light. But I will definitely consider the newer high end models in the future.
My 3.5-10x50 EFR is excellent, though. For some reason that scope has a visible retical and it is on my night time 22 WMR. I also have an older M8 6x42 Tactical that for some reason is likewise a fine scope.
That sits on a Webley Scott Patriot that has heavy recoil.
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First deer was with a Enfield 303 with a peep sight that wouldn't adjust. Just pointed it with best guess and let em have it. Decided I didn't care for guessing too much and bought a BAR 30-06 and put a Simmons on it. For yrs anybody who spent more than 60.00 on a scope had more money than brains. Then I found "opticstalk.com" and you guys, especially koskin and like ya'll said. Thousands later................
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