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First .... thanks for everyones help, and all your patience my endless questions.

 

Here's where I am ..... I've narrowed it down to these two scopes ...

 

Burris Black Diamond 6-24x50 ($713.95) and the Burris Signature Select 6-24-44 ($546.95) both with Mildot Reticle.

 

The Black Diamond says it has "Side Focus" .... the Signature Select says it has "Adjustable Objective" .... ARE THESE THE SAME THING?  And .... the Select will focus down to 50 yards .... does anyone have any idea if the Black Diamond is close?  And does anyone have experience with either of these scopes to tell me if the 50 yard number is conservative or accurate?

 

Just to recap .... the scope will go on a .22-250.  75-80% use will be at a range playing with hand loads and accurizing the rifle .... 20-25% will be small game hunting with shots "as close as possible" to maybe 150-200 yards ..... and of course trying "the loooooong shot" anytime I get the chance.

 

The Select says is has 22" inches of adjustment at 100 yards ( 11 up and 11 down ) .... I beleive thats 22 either direction at 200 yards,  33 at 300 yards, 44 at 400 yards, 55 at 500 yards, etc .... even that one sounds good for the .22-250 ..... balistics say 40.7 for a 60 gr bullet at 500 yards ... so I should be ok there too.

 

Mildot should help with my inability to percieve distance .... all in all these guys look pretty good.

 

How are these two scopes?  Are they both High Quality?  Other than one being 1" and the other being 30mm are they pretty much the same?

 

Any other info is, as always, appreciated ....

 

 

 

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/26/2006 at 03:52
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Yes, side focus and AO are basically the same thing.

They are both used to correct parallax on the scope.

 

As an aside, I prefer an AO because I feel it's a slightly more accurate way to correct parallax and I'm a left handed shooter and like to correct parallax and keep my finger near the trigger.

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side focus IS AO -just in a different place. It costs $200 for the change in nomenclature. side focus is for people who like to shoot prone, or have to because of their job. Although I'm right hand I prefer AO for exactly the same reasons cheaptrick states above. Most AO's regardless of their physical positon on the scope have at least 50 yds. of plus or minus yardage in the visual part and this "error" increases as the distance increases. ie. the ability to detect small changes diminish as distance increases. The over all effect of any AO are overhyped, if hunting large game, a setting about 200 yds (unless of course close cover hunting where the scope power will probably be less anyway) will get you through any day and you can play with them when one is trying to get the best groups at 100 yds.
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You have me a little worried because 22MOA doesnt sound like very much adjustment to me. The 30mm tube scopes always have more adjustment. This may not kill the deal at 300yds but at 1000yds it sure will.

The NIkon Monarch 6.5-20x44 with its small 1in tube has 38MOA and even that doesn't sound like much adjustment to me. Leupold VXIII 8.5-25X50  and the 6.5-20X50Long Range Target have  90 MOA  Even my Leupold Mark 4 Tactical 8.5-25X50 Long Range has 75MOA elevation and 70 MOA windage.  The 16x fixed power Mark 4 has

140 MOA elevation and 45MOA windage  The Mark 4 4.5-14 and the VXIII 4.5-14 both have 100MOA elevation and 100MOA windage.

LEU57170 Leupold 4.5-14x50 VX-III 30mm Riflescope Leupold 4.5-14x50 VX-III 30mm Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Varmint Hunters
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Side Focus
  • Index Matched Lens System
SWFA: $769.95

LEU57180 Leupold 6.5-20x50 VX-III 30mm Riflescope Leupold 6.5-20x50 VX-III 30mm Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Varmint Hunters
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Target Knobs
  • Side Focus
  • Free 2.5" Sun Shade w/ Purchase
  • Index Matched Lens System
SWFA: $879.95
LEU57185 Leupold 8.5-25x50 VX-III 30mm Riflescope Leupold 8.5-25x50 VX-III 30mm Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Varmint Hunters
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Target Knobs
  • Side Focus
  • Free 2.5" Sun Shade w/ Purchase
  • Index Matched Lens System
SWFA: $949.95

If you need help judging distance what you want is a laser rangefinder, If you want to range with mil dots Leupold has that also but you are using a varmit cartridge and the wind drift 10mph and 20mph marks might help you.

SEE  http://www.leupold.com/products/Info_Ballistic_Aiming_System .htm



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