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I went to my Gun Club this morning to check things out.  I brought with me a couple of targets, I brought a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 MC Scope with a Z-Plex reticle, a Weaver K4, AND I brought a 26X Builders Transit.

 

My goal was to get a better grip on Scope Powers and what I think I would want.  This was a pretty daring task ... it was around 12 degrees and the wind was a blowin .... to say the least it was chilly.  (while I was there I went through a couple of boxes of 12 breaking in my new shotgun ... but thats another story)

 

So here's the scoop ....  this is what the target looked like

 

Good for varmint rifles and bench-rest shooting

 

I set it up at 100 yards and then went back to the line to check out the 2 scopes and the transit.

 

Tell ya what .... I can't see how anyone would want to target shoot 100 yards with anything less than 24X ... The Weaver and Zeiss were fine for Deer sized targets .... the Zeiss was a little better when turned up to 9X ... I could see using it for smaller stuff than deer but not that much smaller ... the 26X Building transit was the only one of the three that I would have considered using to shoot at that target for accuracy over any length of time.

 

Just my 2 cents worth .... not sure what my plan is now ....

 

 

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http://www.leupold.com/products/Info_Ballistic_Aiming_System .htm

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LEU60065 Leupold 8.5-25x50 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope Leupold 8.5-25x50 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
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Just my 2 cents worth - I really like my Illuminated 8.5-25 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope (mine is mil dot)
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You make me laugh ..... we always seem to get back to that M4 ...

 

Here the problem that I "think" I gonna have with the high power variable scopes ... they are gonna be real good for the 100 yard range AND for the long shots while hunting .... but they aren't gonna be well suited for the short shots .... the 50 yarders for example.  I live in upstate NY ... we are mountains and forests where I am .... when I went to the range this morning and "reminded" myself of what 100 yards looks like .... there aren't a ton of shots longer than that for us to take around my parts ... not all that many fields ... and for sure NO PLAINS.

 

Again ... not sure what the plan is now ... maybe a fixed for the range and a lower power variable for small game use ..... I've got to look around again .... I hope I'm not making you guys crazy ... I'm just kinda thorough before I lay down my $$$. 

 

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Macky for years people have hunted with fixed 4x and fixed 6X and found them to be adequate. The military uses fixed 10X on most of their sniper rifles for the most part. The typical hunting scope is a 2-7 or 3-9 scope.  Guys who do a lot of target shooting do get the full enjoyment out of having a higher power scope or higher power variable which is more versital than a fixed power scope. It really depends on what you do. I have a 1X Burris on an Encore pistol that will hit very close to the X ring every shot on a hundred yard target certainly close enough for deer. I think that you would really like the 6.5-20 EFR scope if you shoot more target than anything else. If you hunt as much as you target shoot you should look at lower power like 4.5-14. Note the 30mm scopes do have a lot more adjustment range than a 1inch tube. Note the larger objectives like 50mm and 56mm gather more light allowing you to see better in the evening.  (6x42 gathers a lot of light).  Lets say for a minute that you bought a Leupold LPS 3.5 - 14x50 with mil dot reticle  #53490 it would focus as close as 50yds and things a little closer will be a little blury but it would be a great hunting scope and could you shoot targets with it yes of course, could you use it to mil dot range yes. Do I think you would be happy with it - yes.  Lets say you buy a Tactical 8.5-25 will you love it on the range yes will you love it hunting NO. Lets say you buy a Tactical 6.5-20 will you love it on the range yes will you love it hunting , it's useable.

Lets say you buy the 6.5-20 VXIII EFR will you love it on the range yes will you like that if will focus down to 10 meters yes, will you love it hunting it's more usable because it will focus closer and what you will be using is the 6.5x to hunt which is pretty strong for a hand held shot. You need to ask if you want bulky target knobs also. Consider the 3.5-14x50 LPS it is a hunting scope a great hunting scope and might be better for you.

 

One huge advantage of the Mk4 is the illuminated reticle and the 4.5-14 Mark 4 is the number one police sniper scope.



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Hers is a  line of scopes that the ( DARK LORD OF OPTICS ) "Koshkin" would like:

 

IOR414X50TILL IOR 4-14x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope IOR 4-14x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
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IOR624X50TILLMP8 IOR 6-24x50 Tactical 35mm Rifle Scope IOR 6-24x50 Tactical 35mm Rifle Scope
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Urimaginaryfrnd,

 

Thanks for the reply .... I appreciate that you took the time to spell out different scenarios with different scopes and how I might like a scope in one situation and not in another.  It's real hard when you don't have hands on experience with these scopes and you have to digest technical specs and convert them into how a scope would perform in the field. 

 

What you said is kinda what I am realizing .... if the scope that I would like for a 100 yard range scope is a high power one (like 32X for example) then that same scope will not be too good in allot of other situations.  I am just about to the point of accepting that I will not find any single scope that fits into what I'm looking for.  My plan may in fact end up being two scopes .... one high power target type scope for the range .... and a second one that will be what I need when hunting in the wodds ... especially if most of my shots are short ones (10 yards to 50, or 75 yards)

 

Hope you know I was only goofing with you about always ending up back at your M4 .... I appreciate the time that you take to reply to my questions .... it was only friendly ribbing  

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Another option would be a Nikon monarch with a 4x erector. Something like a 4-16x would be fairly suitable for target, and could still go down to 4x for close range hunting work. Step up a bit on the low end and get 5x, and at the top you are at 20x. For me 5x is low enough for hunting inside 100 yards, but I'm also on the plains where I don't have to worry about game running through thick timber. They also have changable turrets, so if you want target knobs at the range, you can, and put low covered hunting knobs on for hunting. The Conquest 4.5-14 fits right in between, but without the 4x zoom. I shoot 100 yard targets with one. My targets have a 1/2" dot as an aiming point, and I have no trouble shooting very nice groups with it. Of course if your pockets are REALLY deep, you can always go the Swarovski Z6 route, and get a 3-18x, or a 5-30x, and have the best of both worlds. That target appears to have about 1" aiming points. I would think you would notice a big difference going from a 9x to something in the 14-16x top end. I guess it all depends on what your expectations are, and what you want out of the scope. If you think the 32x scope is going to make you shoot amazingly small groups, you may be dissapointed. I see every tiny wiggle at 20x, then try to fight it, making me shake more. At 14x I just put the crosshair where I want it, and squeeze. The groups come out the same, but I feel like I'm fighting myself more on 20x.
 
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Wow.......... How did I get here?
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Wow.......... How did I get here?
 
 
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I think a lot of these old thread are getting reserected because of the "similar threads" links down below the reply box.
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Also... if people are asked to 'search first' rather than start a new thread... they are likely to respond to the relevant thread even if it is old. Personally, I never minded seeing old threads revived as long as the new comments are on topic. (unlike this comment) :)
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I think a lot of these old thread are getting reserected because of the "similar threads" links down below the reply box.
Pretty sure that's how I got here.
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