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I'm toying with the idea of getting an illuminated reticle scope for my Sako 75 (piggy's and evening into dark thirty hunts for WT's). I really like the Kahles CSX units but I don't think I want to spend that kind of cash now. I've had ongoing discussions with several folks (thanks to Timber especially) and it seems my four best choices are as follows:

Burris Euro Diamond 3-10 X 40 with the ill. 3P #4--$578.95
Leuppy QD Mgr 3.5-10 X 50 with ill duplex --$899.95
Leuppy VXIII 3.5-10 X50 with ill duplex--$729.95
Bushnell 4200  2.5-10X50 with ill 4a dot--$479.95

My issue is that I really hate big bell objectives. I'm also not thrilled with the dug out appearing bell on the Leuppy QD Mgr. The VXIII is good but optically only o.k.??? The Burris looks good on paper, but I have little knowledge of them. I do very much like #4 type reticles tho. The Elite 4200 is good, but way heavier than the others plus it has Rainguard. As usual, there are always trade-offs.

I guess another alternative would be the Trijicon Accupoint 3-9 X40.

Anybody care to chime in? I really value in and all opinions.

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I personally haven't tried any of the ill. reticle scopes, but if I were in the market for one i'd definately look at Trijicon, I think they have some of the best technology and back ground in this field, after all this is what they built they're buisness on.
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I a Burris Euro Diamond 1.5-6 with the ill german #4
it's a very nice scope, compares very well against my Conquest and Kahles CL in terms of clarity in low light

the Burris has a nice ill ret for night/very low light hunting.. small dot dead center, does not overpower and obstruct the target

two others I tried recently overpower the target, a 4200 1.25-4 and a Meopta Kot 1-4


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BNB,
Among the choices presented so far, I'd also probably get the Trijicon Accupoint 3-9X40.  In second place for me would be the 4200.
 
In an illuminated scope for night hunting, pick a reticle style that illuminates the smallest possible portion of the reticle, preferably a small dot or "+".  If too much of the reticle is illuminated, then you run the risk of over-illuminating the image in your scope, causing temporary night blindness.  If a large portion of the reticle is lit, then you will need a very dim setting on your rheostat to compensate.  In fact, I've found it's best to use only enough illumination to see the reticle clearly in the light conditions and no more.  Surprisingly few lit reticle systems are designed correctly for this, most of them on the expensive scopes.
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I agree with Rifledude, Trijicon first choice and 4200 second choice.

I have not used an illuminated Burris but wasn't too impressed with their scopes - probably just me.

You didn't mention range of shots, let me know how far away Mrs. Piggy will be; there may be better options not yet considered.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

In an illuminated scope for night hunting, pick a reticle style that illuminates the smallest possible portion of the reticle, preferably a small dot or "+".  If too much of the reticle is illuminated, then you run the risk of over-illuminating the image in your scope, causing temporary night blindness.  If a large portion of the reticle is lit, then you will need a very dim setting on your rheostat to compensate.  In fact, I've found it's best to use only enough illumination to see the reticle clearly in the light conditions and no more.  Surprisingly few lit reticle systems are designed correctly for this, most of them on the expensive scopes.
 
Gospel truth, right there.
Well stated, Sir.
 
The S&B L7 reticle I had was ideal.  
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I agree on the ill ret stuff as posted above, I too had not been real impressed with the Burris stuff before, had a fullfield 2 for a day

I have Kahles and a Zeiss Conquest and have compared it directly against the Euro Diamond at night.. it's a surprisingly good scope


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I had the 1.5-6x40  German #4 Ill Eurodiamond.   Illumination system was better than most I've tried at that price range but the glass quality (which was good but not great) limited its effectiveness.  I will note that  at $499, when I bought it, it was a good value.   I also had a S&B illuminated #1 reticle (post) on loan (thanks Marsha at S&B!) while waiting for a special order S&B and I am now spoiled .  The illuminated reticle in that scope will get you in trouble where you can't hunt at night.  S&B does illumination right.   I love the circle dot reticle in the Kahles CSX but they disappeared from the sample list  before I got the stimulus check Sad.

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Thanks all for the replies. I just may give the Trijicon a "shot" (pun intended).
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I will be buying one of the Trijicons at some point

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 I see alot of praise for the 4200 .... but I compared it to my Monarch and did'nt like it as well .... that rainguard is not a big swayer for me ... antifog wipes are better in my opinion and clean the lenses at the same time . They're alright for the price ... but not impressive at all .... a mid quality scope .  Just my opinion ....  I'd have to agree with the other guys on here the  Trijicon before any of the others .... as always the leu's are way overpriced for what you're getting . 
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Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

 I see alot of praise for the 4200 .... but I compared it to my Monarch and did'nt like it as well .... that rainguard is not a big swayer for me ... antifog wipes are better in my opinion and clean the lenses at the same time . They're alright for the price ... but not impressive at all .... a mid quality scope .  Just my opinion ....  I'd have to agree with the other guys on here the  Trijicon before any of the others .... as always the leu's are way overpriced for what you're getting . 

Good point on the anti-fog wipes...sometimes it is good to be reminded to include the small things. May turn out to not be so small after all.
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