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I am in the hunt for a new scope.I am considering the IOR Valdada 2.5 - 10 x 42 and the Zeiss Conquest 3.5 - 10 x 44.Seeing that both models can be had for about the same price,what do the experts out there believe is the better scope? I have read that the IOR uses Zeiss glass,but is it the same or better than the Conquest?Any input is appreciated.Thanks to all! ------------- Rich
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Hello, Rich
 
While I'm a really big fan of the IOR 2.5-10x 42, to use it for a hunting scope would depend on the type of hunting your going to be doing. I'm assuming that if the price on the conquest and IOR is about the same, then your talking about the non illuminated IOR model. I was disappointed in not being able to see the reticle without illumination in low light, even with the SFP model where the reticle stayed the same size throughout its power range... one of the huge features the IOR glass has to offer is its bright, clear glass and to not see the reticle in low light kind of defeats the purpose! lol
 
I chose the mp-8 reticle because I've put together a specialized rifle (beanfield, if you will) and do not intend to use it for close range or trying to jump shoot. With the FFP model and the illuminated reticle, the optic really shines in the 6x-10x settings. Even in very low light, there is really no need for the illumination. As the reticle grows between the 6x-10x range, it becomes so easy to get on your target. I'm quite sure most hunters would like this reticle if they shoot around the 6x power  like I do out west .
 
If you do a lot of quick, jump shooting and need a scope to perform at low magnification, I would choose the Zeiss conquest for an all around hunting scope. You really can't go wrong with the conquest for a hunting scope.
 
IOR glass is not the same glass as Zeiss. Different process but is made by Schott, Germany.  Also, conquest glass is probably not of the same quality as some of the upper Zeiss models.
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I dare bet he is talking about one of the IOR hunting scopes.  http://www.swfa.com/c-291-ior-valdada-hunting-rifle-scopes.aspx
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Yes, and I bet you'd be right, supertools!
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in know this wont be of much help, but really you wont lose either way you go on this one
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Yes,I am talking about the Hunting Model.
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I forgot,Non-Illuminated also.
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I've basically owned both scopes (IOR 2.5-10x Tactical) and I would choose the Conquest w/ a #4 reticle for an all purpose hunting scope.
The Conquest will also be a tad lighter than the IOR.
 
 
I loved the Conquest and loathed the IOR I had. YMMV
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I have the 4X IOR hunter and really like it, good glass, built like a tank, very nice little scope.

That said, I have some real issues with IOR - mostly regarding Customer Service aspects (and their willingness to sell a scope they know to be defective and wait for them to break - possibly under fire.)

I also own a few Zeiss, good scope, good service (in my limited experience.)
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The IOR with only 30mm and the Zeiss with a 44mm gives the Zeiss a the Zeiss a 47% advantage in lens size. This has to give it a large light gathering advantage over the IOR with the glass being nearly equal.
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The IOR has a 42mm objective.  The 30mm is the tube size not the objective.  So you wont gain much advantage there.
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

The IOR with only 30mm and the Zeiss with a 44mm gives the Zeiss a the Zeiss a 47% advantage in lens size. This has to give it a large light gathering advantage over the IOR with the glass being nearly equal.


What did I miss?  Are you talking objective size or tube size? To my limited knowledge, the IOR has a 30mm tube and the Zeiss a 1" - which means almost nothing in terms of light transmission and only lends itself to more adjustment range.  Likewise, the objectives on the IOR and Zeiss are 42 and 44, respectively.

So from where does the 47% number come?

Zeiss does make good lenses, but one key strength of the IOR is the lens quality - I'd say lenses will be very, very close in most respects.

My thoughts: IOR is a better value - but a slight gamble in some respects.  Zeiss is simply a good scope.  And, for the record, I have the 4-14x44 and like it allot.  I have a Kenton BDC on mine and it has dispatched a few hogs in its time - with not a single miss.
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Get a Leupold and be done with it.......Thunbs%20Up
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Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

Get a Leupold and be done with it.......Thunbs%20Up


Laugh


Oh wait you were being serious. 
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I never kid about gear I use to earn my living and save my life, son.
My experience has taught me that.  
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Oh, my bad.  I forget Leupolds never break. Wink  Yet everyone talks so much about their customer service.  Hmmm, I wonder how they know.
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Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

I never kid about gear I use to earn my living and save my life, son.
My experience has taught me that.  


Funny, my experiences taught me the exact opposite: never trust Leupold gear.

My advice to anyone and everyone is to avoid Leupold; at half the price, it'd be an OK deal, as is, it is almost robbery.


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O wait, do you sell Leupold for a living? If so, your post makes perfect sense.
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Optically, IOR is a little better than the Conquest.  Mechanically, both are very good.

A lot of it comes down to personal choice:

IOR is a touch heavier, but has slightly better glass and larger magnification range (with somewhat wider field of view at the low end).  I think it is also a little cheaper for the non-illuminated version.

Conquest is a touch lighter due to 1" tube and touch more expensive than the IOR.  You do get the Zeiss panache, though.

If you really want to get a Conquest, get a 3-9x40.  It is a much better deal.

As for reticles, it is a hunting scope, so I think MP-8 is not the best choice.  Both IOR and Conquest are available with #4 reticle which work well in low light.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

If you really want to get a Conquest, get a 3-9x40.  It is a much better deal.
 
Yep, great advise there from The Dark One.
The 3-9x with the #4 is LOTS cheaper than the 3.5-10x model.
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Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

Get a Leupold and be done with it.......Thunbs%20Up
 
OH PLEASE!!!!   Bucky     Get a Weaver.  Went out of business twenty five years ago and still better than 60% of the Leupolds out there...
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

The IOR with only 30mm and the Zeiss with a 44mm gives the Zeiss a the Zeiss a 47% advantage in lens size. This has to give it a large light gathering advantage over the IOR with the glass being nearly equal.
My mis-read I'm not used to seeing the tube dia. in such bold print.
I've been painting the house and the fumes are getting to me.


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Originally posted by Optimus Prime Optimus Prime wrote:

I never kid about gear I use to earn my living and save my life, son.
My experience has taught me that.  
 
Would that...(YAWN) "experience" your referencing be your hush-hush former military profession Roll%20Eyes or your equally suspense filled gig as a
"man hunter/truck driver" OP?? Poker
 
OP, you give me so much material to work with, that I never know where to start. Howdy
 
 


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