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Hi all,

This is a sort of a continuation of my last post.... I'm (now) looking for recommendations for a 3-15x hunting scope.  I purchased, examined, and am returning a 2-10x42 Ziess HD5.   I must have received a lemon and I have little desire to exchange it.  It looked suspicious right out of the box and I put it up against a $400 Weaver and other then drastically better the eye relief and “eye-box”, the HD5 was significantly poorer on resolution and brightness.  Not only with my eyes but also with 2 additional hunter's opinions.   With that said, if I need to move to 3x on the low end, I rather have a 3-15x optic. Some research in a table below, maybe I missed some options to consider. 

Background/Application: 338WM Sporter with a 20moa base cant

Applied Range =<500 yrds

- The OBJ must be 40-42mm

- 30mm or 1” tube is acceptable

-  No OBJ parallax adjustment

- Must be under 20oz

- Mil or BDC reticle

- FFP not required

- 50moa or greater elevation

-“Dial-able” elevation knob with easily readable indications, moa or mil, capped turret is OK

- Need exceptional eye relief across the mag-range, rifle can make owie

- Trying to keep it under $800, I was originally planning for the $600 price point in a 3-9x40.

Question: Does MINOX publish the actual MOA BDC holds for their ZA5 BDC reticles or is it unit less and simply based on a 7mm Rem Mag 150gr reference trajectory??  I can’t find it.

In the 3x9 category the VX-R Patrol is my top pick.  Going to a 3-15x and dismissing Ziess, I can’t find anything I like over the Razor HD LH (G4 BDC).

 

Some research:

Make

Model

Tube

Turret

Click

Range

Reticle

LP-FoV

@100yrds

Eye Relief

Weight

[oz]

Length

[in]

Parallax

[Dist Yrds]

$

Conquest

2-10x42 HD5

1”

Capped

1/4”

 

Rapid-Z 600 BDC

52ft

3.54”

17.5oz

13.2

100

630

Leupold

3-9x40 VX-R Patrol

30mm

Exposed

1/10 mil

60moa

Illuminated TMR

33.6ft

4.2-3.7”

15.3oz

12.6

 

550

Minox

3-15x42 ZA5 HD

1”

Capped

1/4”

60moa

BDC 800

53ft

3.98”

17.6oz

13.0

SF

 

Minox

2-10x40 ZA5 HD

1”

Capped

1/4”

80moa

BDC 800

53ft

3.98”

16.0oz

12.76

100yrds

 

SWFA

3-15x SS

30mm

Exposed

1/10 mil

36mil

FFP Mil-Quad

34.8ft

4.2-3.8”

24oz

13.66

 

699

SWFA

3-9x42 SSHD

30mm

Exposed

1/10 mil

 

FFP Mil-Quad

33.2ft

4.13-3.03

19oz

13.1

 

599

Weaver

3-15x42 SuperSlam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Weaver

3-10x40 Grand Slam

1”

Exposed

1/10 mil

56 moa

Mil-dot

35ft

3.5”

16.6oz

11.94

 

399

Burris

2-10x42 XTRII

34mm

 

 

 

FFP Mil

 

 

 

 

 

887

Vortex

3-15x42 HD LH

1”

 

 

55

 

35.8

3.8”

16.5

13.5

 

799

Vortex

2-10x40 HD LH

1”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

799

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 thanks, boom

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I didn't see a Meopta Meostar R1 on that list. Every now and then you can find a used 4-16x44 for around $500 to $650 if you're patient. I bought mine for $500 and it looks brand new. I saw another one for the same price the other day for $500. I can't find a scope on your list that betters it in any regard. But of course, that's my opinion and I might be partial. 😜
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I like the Leupold Rifleman scope 4-12x40 or the Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14x42mm.  Anytime I try a different scope I always come back to these ones.
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Personally, I would go with the 2-10 Razor HD LH if you're a MOA guy. At 15.4 ounces it will fit the bill.
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As suggested above, check out the Meopta Meostar R1 line... I've found no better hunting scopes available.  These scopes were specifically designed with low light hunting in mind (some places in Europe, one can only hunt at night).  I've shot a few varmints using an R1 MD 3-12x56 in only moonlight in the 75-125 yard range.  Could go further. 

There is a guy I used to meet up with at the shooting range sometimes.  He used to have Leupold, Zeiss Conquest, Bushnell and Burris on 9 different rifles.  He now has 9 Meopta Meostars.  First time he let me use one, I thought "Wow, that's not bad at all".  Then he told me the price and I thought "WOW, that's great."  Mine is on a Voere Shikar .300 WinMag and it is excellent.  Everything about it is "quality".  I rate it as a "true value". 

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Another Meopta vote.   Considering splurging on one of the R2 scopes
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Originally posted by Robster80 Robster80 wrote:

Another Meopta vote.   Considering splurging on one of the R2 scopes

Not really a big fan of R2 scopes (i know everyone likes them) its just me 
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I'll throw out a couple of options to consider that I don't see so far .  You are obviously doing your homework on the subject but there are some good possibles missing from the list.  I would throw away the idea that the scope must be under 20 ounces and highly weight how much eye relief and how much internal adjustment a scope has.  For a hunting application the height of exposed knobs is a real factor.
Swarovski 3.5-18x44 Z5 Riflescope Swarovski 3.5-18x44 Z5 Riflescope
Stock # - SWA59764
  • Matte
  • 4W
  • 1"
  • Ballistic Turret
  • Side Focus
$1,649.00

Leupold 2-12x42 VX-6 30mm Riflescope Leupold 2-12x42 VX-6 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU115199
  • Matte
  • FireDot 4 (Red Dot)
  • 30mm
  • Metric Finger Click
  • Quantum Optical System
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
  • DiamondCoat 2
  • 2nd Generation Argon/Krypton Waterproofing
  • Lead Free
  • 6:1 Zoom Ratio
  • Generous Eyebox
  • Pop-Up Rezero Adjustments
  • Blackened Lens Edges
  • Twin Bias Spring Erector System
  • Extreme Fast-Focus Eyepiece
  • Motion Sensor Technology
  • Custom Dial System
$959.95


Weaver 4-16x44 Grand Slam Rifle Scope Weaver 4-16x44 Grand Slam Rifle Scope
Stock # - WEA800654
  • Matte
  • EB-X
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
$449.95

Bushnell 2.5-16x42 Elite 6500 30mm Rifle Scope Mil-Dot Bushnell 2.5-16x42 Elite 6500 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - 652164MD
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus - 10 yards to infinity
  • RainGuard® HD
  • Ultra Wide Band Coating
  • Fully multi-coated optics
  • Magnum recoil-proof construction
  • 100% waterproof/fogproof/shockproof construction
  • Argon purged
  • 1/4 MOA or finer fingertip, audible/resettable windage and elevation adjustment
  • 3" Sunshade
  • Bulletproof Guarantee
$749.00

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i own a leupold vx64 -24 x 52mm scope and i will tell you that is amazing. its accuracy is satisfying
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Thanks for all the feedback. The popular opinion is Meopta and also the Vx6.  I have never handled anything Meopta in a riflescope.

I actually now have a Bushy 2.5-16x42 but it is the "tactical" model with the exposed turrets. It already has a home on a varmint rifle. Decent optic so far. It does have significant "parabolic" image distortion below 4x.  In other words, if your are sweeping vertical objects like trees at minimum magnification, you can watch them bend from the center like a fun-house mirror.   Anyone else witness this?  It is not subtle although, it's been more of a curiosity then an annoyance and has not hindered application. The parallax adjustment is fast and relatively forgiving across range, dials fine so far. 

Got a chance to look through the Vortex 3-15x42 HD LH optics on rifle and was really impressed with the shoulder acquisition and optical resolution.   If I had to nit-pick, both reticle designs need more pronounced stadia marks for hold. I did surprisingly like the open center of the G4-BDC.  No center post was a deal-breaker on the HSR-4.

On the lower end on the list; Also got a chance to play with the Leupold VX-R Patrol not permanently mounted. Have it here in box. The firedot illum doesn't center perfectly (minor) and the larger elevation knob is mushy.  The illum control button is trick but that might a different case in below zero temps.  The black reticle contrast across all lighting was something to note (positive feature) as with MK4s when comparing it to other solutions.  The eye relief spec looks a bit exaggerated when comparing in person.  Optically it looks like a VX2.  It has a relatively unique feature set for the package but met expectations for the Leupold price point. Illumination isn't high on my list.  

A recent Firearm News had a write-up on Meopta optics, history, facility, etc. but most specifically for a spotter.  I need to look at the Meopta but for now the Vortex LH is in the top spot.  With all the words on the R1 it is going to be worth a look.  Its obviously difficult to determine dusk performance not using the optic in application so good feedback.

It's looking like the rifle is going to push near 10.5lbs which is 1lb over what I planned for. Sling on it, a steel rail base, and using leftover steel 30mm loopy rings isn't helping.  This thing might never get done.  After more thought, I'm less favorable of a BDC reticle in favor of a good contrasting plex reticle with a clearly marked elevation turret with decent purchase and feedback plus optical quality.  


Many thanks,

-boom


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Meostars are quite good.  I'd put it up against the best glass out there - and have compared it to Zeiss, Bushnell Elites, etc. and it whooped em.  I had a 56 mm objective R1 and could hunt later than anyone - ethically, that is.

going from a 40 to a 50 objective gives you 5 more minutes of time to ethically hunt - going from a 50 to a 56 gives you a few more at the same power setting.  I think that's pretty accurate.  The big deer around here like to come out in the last few minutes of legal time - and most folks have 50-56 mm objectives on top.

With that said, I've recently downsized to 40mm on a couple of my rifles for a sleeker weapon system.
There is definitely give and take to bigger scopes.

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I have the minox za5 and it's a superb scope. I think I have the 3-15x42. I just got a 2-8x42 Zeiss's duralyt that is a 30mm scope and I really like it too. Zeiss went on a Ruger 308 carbine the minox is on a Remington 700 tactical 308.
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Originally posted by CountryGear CountryGear wrote:

I like the Leupold Rifleman scope 4-12x40 or the Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14x42mm.  Anytime I try a different scope I always come back to these ones.


Seriously?
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I've occasionally toyed with going to an SS 3-9 on my main hunting rifle just to save 5 oz. But I like the SS 3-15 so much I just haven't been able to do it. Such a great scope for the money, almost as good glass and the ability to dry-fire practice indoors @ 20 feet because of the parallax adjustment range are all factors. Mainly, having that extra 6X is why I keep it. No matter what you get, 3-15 is an awesome magnification range.
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Hi all, 
I just opted for the Vortex HD LH 3-15x42, mainly because of initial impressions from that optic, relative price deltas with others on the "short list", and time/impatience. I also have 2 Razor HDs on LR rifles I really like.  I was committed to a smaller optical solution although the mass on that R1 is very nice for a 50mm OBJ / 30mm tube.   In the same $1100'ish price range, and not necessarily for this application,  I've been wanting to play with a Bushnell Elite LR Hunter. 

Honestly, the only =>50mm OBJ I run on a deer hunting rifle is a old Tasco Euro-class 52mm (don't laugh) on a Browning (Belgium type-2 or "pre-Safari") BAR in 300WM.  Awesome rifle and one of my first.  I didn't have much $ back then and remember saving for it. I wish I recall what that optic costed. It has worked well enough I never wanted to take it off.  No zero issues ever across time or mag range.  It's been decades now....back on topic.  
I also picked up a set of NF ultalight rings for this build to shave a few OZ vs the all steel MK4s.


Thank you for the input and the fun in this! 
On another project I'm comparing a discontinued Conquest MC 3-9x40 with a Bushy 2.5-10x40 4500.  Looked though both day and dusk and they are darn close.

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