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A buddy of mine called yesterday asking for advice on a deer rifle for his 12-year-old daughter. She's a first-time hunter. He mentioned things like a 7mm-08 or .260. I told him since she doesn't way much the rifle will probably need to stay under 8 lbs. and that 7mm-08 might be alright as long as the bullet weight stayed down...maybe 130...or less??? Any of you spec'd out a rifle for someone in the 80-90 lb. range? He's planning on scoping it with a fixed 4X he has.
 
He also mentioned having it do double duty as a light mountain rifle for him, which would mean 0-200 yard elk-hunting capability. But I told him I wasnt' sure he'd meet both goals since she might also need a much shorter length of pull.
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  This comes to mind right off.  Not sure if you can buy w/o the scope.
 
 
 
  If not this your buddy should get her a rifle that balances pretty between her hands.  I've seen too many kids (went through it with mine) with bbl hvy rifles they couldn't control.  Of course there's the lop to consider to.
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I got this for my daughter in .243 and put a 2-7x36 scope on it.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=023B&cid=035&tid=248&bg=x

It came with a rebate so we can upgrade the stock at a discounted price to a larger size stock as she grows. Great rifle, very accurate.
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A buddy of mine was in a similar position for his son. But he wanted to be able to change the length of pull to accommodate his son as he grew. And have a caliber that would work on larger game in the future. But still be controllable now. He ended up with a Howa and used what looks like a Knoxs special ops stock that had an adjustable length of pull as well as recoil reduction in the stock. I have the same stock on a Rem 870 12 gauge and it does a much better job than I expected. And for his caliber I think he went with a 30 06 and for now uses Fusion reduced recoil ammo.
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Gents, thanks for both recommendations and the issues to consider.
 
I'd be a bit more inclined to the Howa. It's less than $650. And while I personally don't like Hogues as much as HS, McMillan, etc. I do like synthetics (other than my tupperware .22 stock!!!). I'll tell him to double-check but aren't Howas compatible with rings for the Rem 700 action? I believe that's all he has.
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   Yep,they use M700 bases.  Makes it NICE with plenty of options.
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Might also look at the ruger m77 compacts... I had one in 260 that was an absolute sweetheart
and it was a real hit with the young'uns
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+1 on the M77 compact The wife has one in 308.
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   Here's my daughter's in .243 Win.  Grandaughter took her first deer with it this season past.
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Very nice rifle Earl! and congrats to your grandaughter on her first deer!!Excellent
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  THANKS,tman.  She did real good once she settled down.  Shot was a little over 200yds.
 
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+3 on the Ruger compacts. My wife has a 7mm-08 and a .308. She loves them. 
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I like the look of the Compact too...should  be easier to find locally  too. Thanks!
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7mm-08 is a great choice. You can loaded up for elk to velocities with a 140gr that push .280 Rem performance, and you can load it down with 120gr nosler BT's for deer and a lighter shooter. If cost is an issue, check out the weatherby vanguard 2s. 7 1/4 lbs before scope, so it's going to be right at 8lbs with glass, and you'll maximize velocity with the 24" barrel. Plus, for stand hunting a little weight is a good thing for a light shooter, because it will reduce felt recoil. Good luck to you.

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Personally, I would focus strickly on her needs and not trying to make the rifle double as an elk rifle or have plans for it being mine down the road, meaning I would stick to something along the lines of a bolt action 243. I wouldn't get a 7-08 or 308 for a young girl's first rifle. The reason..?  Recoil.
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I bought the wife and kids a Savage youth model 11 in 243. The rifle comes stock in the basic junk plastic stock, but I worked up a load for this weekend that stacked 105gr amax's. 
 Another reason I suggest the Savage is with a cheap take-off stock, and a pre-threaded barrel in any caliber, it will fill the role of the light weight mountain rifle as well. It is also available in 7-08. 
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YippeeI just bought my wife the new Savage Lady Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor. It's a real shooter for a light deer rifle.

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Caliber - if it was for my daughter i would go with a .243 (or a 260 with a light bullet) 
Rifle - I would lean towards the compact ruger or savage's new lightweight hunter (20" pencil barrel and weighs 5.5lbs.).
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I would probably chose a 243, 257, or 260 Rem for her.  Or you could get 7mm-08 and load light till she gets bigger.   I grew up around a lot of girls that hunted, and many of them used the 257 for deer and elk with great success.  
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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

I would probably chose a 243, 257, or 260 Rem for her.  Or you could get 7mm-08 and load light till she gets bigger.   I grew up around a lot of girls that hunted, and many of them used the 257 for deer and elk with great success.  


I use a .257 Roberts depending on the day. As I said just got Momma a 6.5 Creedmoor.

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Personally, I would focus strickly on her needs and not trying to make the rifle double as an elk rifle or have plans for it being mine down the road, meaning I would stick to something along the lines of a bolt action 243. I wouldn't get a 7-08 or 308 for a young girl's first rifle. The reason..?  Recoil.
 
I think you're right, Roy. I took a look at commercial ammo and saw that with 120 gr bullets the manufacturers use the extra space to add more powder, putting them up around 3000 fps. I have no desire to handload for them just to tailor a wimpy load. I guess they could go with the Rem. managed recoil stuff. But I think I'll recommend a .243 and point out that he has two daughters so they'll get some more use out of that rifle later.
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  Jon,
  Since your talking .243 I thought I'd mention that I've always kept that Ruger sighted in with Win. Super X 100gr soft points.  Over the yrs quite a few youngsters have used it.  None have had trouble handling the rifle or the recoil and got their deer to boot.
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I bought my son (age 10 at the time) a Remington Model 7 Youth in 260.  It has been a great rifle.  My daughter started shooting it also around 10 years old with no real problems.
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A light weight/recoil rifle suitable for a young girl or a mountain elk? Your friend isn't asking for much.
Almost posted a pic of a Model 336 until reading the 200 yard elk part.
Does the girl have a say in this decision? .243 sounds perfect for the daughter, but for an elk?
If he's talking 260 Rem, maybe 100 gr. for her and 140 for him. Maybe the 6.5 is the best compromise.
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IMHO your friend wants to change the law of physics...it is not going to happen.
He should get a Remington 7 or Ruger Compact in .243 and see if she likes to shoot and hunt, if she does and grows enough then he can send it back to get a barrel in .308 put on latter.
To much gun will turn her off...she will not want to shot much less hunt.
My friends daughter and grand daughter love to shoot my heavy barrel M 700 in .223 from a rest and have taken coyotes and rodents, they won't shoot anything more than a .243 though because of muzzle blast and recoil.
A light gun shooting a bullet over 100 grains at a velocity high enough to take an elk is to much gun for a youngster to be comfortable with.
Again, as much as we want we can not change the laws of physics.
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