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Getting ready for WY-Shot PD & Steel shoot in Wyoming next month. I had a Brake installed on the 22-250 by Michael Deloach at Nine Run gun in Georgia. Mount up the SS 3-15 and it will be ready to go.






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Now THAT'S a "pistole"… Wow.  
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That Muzzle break looks like it belongs on a 50 lol
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Nice Lile real nice.

Good luck at the shoot.
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That's nice. I wonder about getting a pistol stock like that for a Tikka.
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I built a load ladder today but it has been too windy to shoot for groups today. We are under a Tornado warning, Thunderstorm warning, and Flood warnings now. My phone went off . It is now 49 minutes since starting this post. I could see 3 tornadoes on the ground within 5 miles of here. 2 crossed to my north with the 3rd one less than 1/2 mile to my south. First time I have gone to hide in a closet.
Jono you can't make a pistol out of a rifle action per BATF. If you get a pistol action or an undesignated action then it is a go. There are overall length restrictions also. Check out the Specialty pistols forum.
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Sooooo… with your experiences, Lile, and the experiences shown regularly by Ernie Bishop… how can there ever be a question of "can you use a rifle with an 18" barrel for long range shooting"???  Or a 16" barrel… Or 14 inch…. Or…


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You can shoot a rifle with a shorter barrel but a pistol barrel can not exceed 16" A pistol with more than a 16" barrel falls under NFA firearm regulations. If an action or reciever is desiginated a rifle by the manufacturer it must remain a rifle. An action shipped as a pistol or as an undesiginated action it can be a pistol or converted to a rifle. Then can be converted back to a pistol if done is a specific order.

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26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM )

26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM)

26 U.S.C. 5845(c):DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11:DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (PISTOL)

A firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is

made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they:

(a)  serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less     than 16 inches in length; or

(b) convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm. A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts within a kit

that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length).

A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length , and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the  NFA (e.g., as a pistol).

A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle.

This should make it clear as mud.



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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

You can shoot a rifle with a shorter barrel but a pistol barrel can not exceed 16" A pistol with more than a 16" barrel falls under NFA firearm regulations. If an action or reciever is desiginated a rifle by the manufacturer it must remain a rifle. An action shipped as a pistol or as an undesiginated action it can be a pistol or converted to a rifle. Then can be converted back to a pistol if done is a specific order.

U.S. Department of Justice

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26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM )

26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM)

26 U.S.C. 5845(c):DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11:DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (PISTOL)

A firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is

made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they:

(a)  serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less     than 16 inches in length; or

(b) convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm. A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts within a kit

that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length).

A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length , and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the  NFA (e.g., as a pistol).

A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle.

This should make it clear as mud.

All great stuff.  I was referring to the ongoing, seemingly never ending, controversy over whether accuracy could be maintained by going to a shorter (16"-18") rifle barrel.  Tomes have been written on the subject and no where have I really seen anyone just insert one of the pistols into the conversation and say "this works".  The pistols you use are very accurate out to long ranges... as evidenced by the success you, Ernie, and others have shown using them in long range competitions. 

I don't know why the question is asked... 

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I would imagine it is mostly about bullet velocity and complete powder burn, rather then accuracy when talking about barrel length.
Or it should be anyway.
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My theory is that the shorter barrel will have less  harmonic fluctuation. Shorter being stiffer. Less length for leverage and less time in barrel for shorter duration. The drawback will be lower velocity. The lower velocity will be more consistent of the variables resulting in a reduction in the standard deviation. Another additional theory makes me think that the initial powder burn will be more consistent than the end powder burn from and loading and powder burn rate variations. The shorter barrel does not have the time to burn all the powder. The variation in burn intensity occurs later in the burn cycle and outside of the shorter barrel, with less effect on the projectile. I am not a rocket scientist, nor did I stay at a Holiday inn express lately. Just things that make sense to me with no data to confirm this theory. Mostly an ADD brain on a tangent. Loco
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