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Just purchased a Howa M-1500 package deal with the green Hogue stock. The gun also comes with a Nikko Sterling 3.5-10X42 Nighteater. Wondering your opinions on this setup?
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For the bucks, the Howa is a darn good rifle. It`s basically a Weatherby Vanguard with a free floating barrel and is very accurate from the box. The Hogue stock which I have on one of my two rifles, is very grippy, is solvent and oil proof, is very rugged and weatherproof, and there are no wood nicks, dings or scratching to ever worry about while in the field. 
 
I personally, am not a big fan of the Nikko Sterling scopes. Their looks are bulky with more weight and their angled objective bells look funny imo.
 
Usually when lesser expensive package rifle and scope deals are offered at a good price, there is always cutting of the corners somewhere!
 
Maybe for your use, the Nikko scope may serve you well.
 
 
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

For the bucks, the Howa is a darn good rifle. It`s basically a Weatherby Vanguard with a free floating barrel and is very accurate from the box. The Hogue stock which I have on one of my two rifles, is very grippy, is solvent and oil proof, is very rugged and weatherproof, and there are no wood nicks, dings or scratching to ever worry about while in the field. 
 
I personally, am not a big fan of the Nikko Sterling scopes. Their looks are bulky with more weight and their angled objective bells look funny imo.
 
Usually when lesser expensive package rifle and scope deals are offered at a good price, there is always cutting of the corners somewhere!
 
Maybe for your use, the Nikko scope may serve you well.
 
 
 
I agree with squeezer 100% Like the Howa, and the hogue. Not so much the Nikko.
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it's certainly a bulky unit and optically a little lacking ( though not terrible)... Do you have a budget in mind to replace it ...or just looking for an opinion ?? Honestly-there are worse scopes out there , and better ...do you like the scope?
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The most important thing that all of the Howa 1500/Weatherby Vangards that I have shot had in common - they are grouped well.  Most shot sub-inch groups @ 100 yds.  The worst shot 1 1/2 ".  Granted that this experience is gathered from only 8-10 rifles and with handloaded ammo.  The only modification that I made was to replace the factory trigger with a Timney.  Although I have no personal experience with the Nikko-Sterling line of scopes, my intuition tells me not to expect even mid-level performance from a scope that is offered in a package and the price difference is not significantly higher than purchasing the rifle alone.  The old adage is definitely true - you get what you pay for.   
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Thanks for the replies. I agree 100% that you get what you pay for. Being that I am a full time student I don't have that much money to spend on my shooting and hunting hobby at this time. Maybe down the road I will put a better scope on my Howa. I think that the scope is okay but I haven't had much time behind a really good scope so I don't have much to compare it to. My other rifle has a Nikon Buckmasters scope so right now I have mostly low to mid grade optics so I haven't been spoiled by quality ones haha I'm glad everyone at least has a positive review of the Howa. I will probably put a new trigger on it in the near future
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Welcome to OT, Monster.  A buddy of mine bought the same basic Howa / Nikko Stirling outfit in .243 for his son.  I zeroed the rifle for him before he gave it to his son.  I like the rifle a lot, and it shot pretty well, but the scope left a lot to be desired.  It had pretty poor quality optics.  It would probably be a serviceable scope for awhile if money is tight, but there are plenty of good quality, reasonably priced scopes available that I would eventually replace it with something else providing better image quality.
 
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What are you talking reasonably priced that would be better than the Nikko?
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Monster!.................What part of So Cal are you in? I`m in the Yorba Linda/East Anaheim area. What ranges do you go to?
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Originally posted by Monster Monster wrote:

What are you talking reasonably priced that would be better than the Nikko?


thats correct
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$200 to $300 range will get you a real nice scope.
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no doubt there team primos at $199 comes to my mind right away
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Monster!.................What part of So Cal are you in? I`m in the Yorba Linda/East Anaheim area. What ranges do you go to?


I live in Whittier. I usually go to Burro Canyon and I've been to Lydle Creek a couple of times. Neither one I really like but I have to go somewhere.
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Well like I said I got a Nikon Buckmasters 3-9X40 from this site. Spent about $200 off the sample list. Is that a good optic for the money?
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the nikon team primos for $199 on sale is even better i have a 3x9 buckmaster and the primos is way better!
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ok ill put that in the memory banks for the next time I'm in the market for a scope thanks any other recommendations?
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bushnell elite 4200 for $289 is another excellent choice under $300, for more than $300 the sightron sII big sky is a great choice too its $355 from swfa
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Cool thanks I'll remember next time I'm in the market for a scope 
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Originally posted by Monster Monster wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Monster!.................What part of So Cal are you in? I`m in the Yorba Linda/East Anaheim area. What ranges do you go to?


I live in Whittier. I usually go to Burro Canyon and I've been to Lydle Creek a couple of times. Neither one I really like but I have to go somewhere.
................Well! Well!....... Out of everyone here on this forum, you live the nearest to me. I also go to Burro and Lydle Creek. Was up at Lydle Creek last week and like Burro Canyon, they have nice metal canopys over the benches now. Not too bad! Burro still has the better benches though.
 
Last time I was at Burro, someone fired a round above the pistol targets into the brush to the right of the rifle range and damn near the whole hill went up in flames!!.....Laugh......Fire trucks, water dropping choppers soon showed up. Stuck around to watch the show! With all those units coming up, I wasn`t going down!.... 
 
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Originally posted by Monster Monster wrote:

What are you talking reasonably priced that would be better than the Nikko?
 
Most any name brand scope in the $150 - $300 price range would be noticeably better.  What I would call "reasonably priced" might be different from your definition, but I think the Nikon Team Primos 3-9X40 @ $200 or the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9X40 @ $290 are both about the best values going in rifle scopes.  Both would thoroughly spank the Nikko. 
 
 
For that matter, the Sightron SII 3-9X42 is reportedly very good for the price as well.  I just don't happen to have any first hand experience with Sightron scopes.  However, others on this forum whose opinions I respect immensely speak highly of them, which is enough for me.
 
Edited to add:  As I was responding to your question, I now see that others answered the question on the following page.  Sorry to be redundant.


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Thanks for the responses guys! Big Squeeze I think I heard about that at burro canyon. DO you do any hunting?
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Originally posted by Monster Monster wrote:

Thanks for the responses guys! Big Squeeze I think I heard about that at burro canyon. DO you do any hunting?
.............Not as much hunting now as I have in the past. Two years ago, I nailed my last elk. I mostly do hog hunting now, but I do plan on some big bear and bison hunts in the future with maybe an African trip too (business permitting??), so that I can put my .375 Ruger to some real good use!.......
 
What cartridge did you get in the Howa?
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I got it in good ol' 308. I just got into Deer hunting and I figured it was a good cartridge for my first big game rifle.  
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Nothing wrong with the .308, it may be the most proficient round we have.
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