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New to OT and looking for advice.  I have a 700 LTR (.308).  Just got my Seekins rings and base.  I have an IOR 6 x 42 Tactical on back order.  When I get it, how do I mount it so the reticle is perfectly aligned straight up and down?  Don't want to crank on elevation and find I'm inadvertently cranking on a slight bit of windage too.
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Use a level.  Mount your gun in something sturdy.  Sit the level on your base make sure your gun is level.  Then when you put your scope on sit the level on the turret cap and make sure it is also level.  Then torque your caps down to spec and you should be level.
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Okay, sounds simple.  In the past I've tried eyeballing it (with hunting scopes) but have always noticed just a little bit of misalignment.
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  I"ve been using the Segway Reticle Leveler for years. Recently though I've been switching to vertical split rings. With a variable scope I simply center the power alignment mark on the scope tube with the split in the rear ring. I've double checked with the Segway tool but I don't feel I need to anymore.
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Is that reticle leveler the one with the horizontal lines and level bubble on it?  I've think I've seen it before but didn't know if it was worth buying.  The rings I got are horizontal.
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  That's the one. Mine's an old one before they put the level on it. I've found that the easiest way to use them is to cover up the objective lense(I've got BC caps on mine so I close it)and shine a flashlight into the ocular end. This allows you to see the horizontal reticle out to its edges. Alternate your tigtening of the rings from one side to the other and don't tighten them to much at once. 

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You can use two .99 cent levels from the dollar store and use Supertool's way. Cheap and it works great! That is how we do it here.

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Why use 2 levels?  One to check the base (and gun) are still level and one to make sure the scope is level?
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    Excellent this is true.
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Originally posted by G Dubya P G Dubya P wrote:

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Why use 2 levels?  One to check the base (and gun) are still level and one to make sure the scope is level?
Correct, because if the scope is level and the gun is not the scope will be off once you pick it up and straighten the gun. Make Sense?
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I use a masonary line level and supertool's method.
 
  
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We use this one for the gun http://www.ctkprecision.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=6 and just a cheap cube level to set on the turret of the scope.

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Thanks guys, little things like this drive me nuts.  The level ideas are great. 

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I used supertool's method and the 'Clinometer' app on my iphone.  Clinometer is turns your iphone into a mini level.  Pretty cool.

I think my head must be crooked because every scope I look into seems to have a tilted reticle. Whacko
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Originally posted by Heavishot Heavishot wrote:

I think my head must be crooked because every scope I look into seems to have a tilted reticle. Whacko


That is actually pretty common I think.  A person does not mount the rifle level to their shoulder so it looks canted to your eye.  Or you are bringing your head down to the rifle instead of mounting the rifle high in your shoulder pocket so it aligns with your eye not the other way around.  Which in turn makes your head tilted


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I think I just have a crooked head.
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....also because I have the same problem.

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A lot of people are that way. Chris our owner can tell if a scope is straight or not but, if he holds the gun how he shoots when it is straight the reticle is crooked to him. A lot of people don't hold it straight. Adjust it to fit your needs. Or change your shooting position IE where you place your cheek as Supertool Stated.

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my wifes cousin picks up my rifle and tells me i have a ghetto style scope, because we shoulder a rifle differently, to me it looks pretty straight and to him its cocked. i realize the closer to perfectly straight you can mount a scope the more accurate it will be, but at the same time i wont give up comfort, if it was for a target rifle then i would change something.

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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Use a level.  Mount your gun in something sturdy.  Sit the level on your base make sure your gun is level.  Then when you put your scope on sit the level on the turret cap and make sure it is also level.  Then torque your caps down to spec and you should be level.
 
This works great, but only if the reticle in the scope is level with the turret caps.  I have run into this before where the reticle wasn't level with the caps, then your back to square one.
 
What I ended up doing was leveling the rifle, then drew a dark thin line on the wall with a level, then looked through the scope & leveled the reticle to the line on the wall. You could also hang a plumb bob from the ceiling & use your verticles to do the same thing, but it's a little harder to see. You obviously need a little distance to do this, it isn't something you can do in your living room or you'll get the big blur.


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These work great!
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Yea, that's the first tool I ever bought, but as I said, these don't work either if your reticle isn't perfectly horizontal with your turret cap. That's what I've run into on a couple different scopes over the years.

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The flat underside on a number of scopes is indexed to the reticle AND the turrets.
surely not on all scopes, But for sure I know that Nightforce, SuB and Zeiss have it that way.
With this flat you can simply put something flat underneat lika gauge blocks, a drill bit or whatever to straighten it up against the picatinny rail.
 
On my own mount I have put a 10 degree slant in the base.
As you can see here
 
 
With this 10 Degree surface (it's a 4mm slot) I stick in a 10 degree device that forces the scope in the correct rotation.
 
Within very short time is the scope mounted perfectly in rotation.
But as I said, this can be done on any scopemount placed on a picatinnyrail, I just don't have any photos of that.
 
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Here is the method I use to level the reticle. First start off with a pefectly level Decker Rifle vise. Secure the rifle in a level position with the bases attached and level.




Next, mount the scope in the top half of the rings adjust for proper eye relief (yes you can install the top ring caps, but loosy so you can move the scope according to suit proper eye from various shooting positions. Once set, set another small level on top of the elevation turret assure the level from scope bases and turret csp are fairly even.



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The EXD scope level tool is the easiest, best device I've seen for leveling scopes.  It's available from Brownells:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=6097/Product/EXD_ENGINEERING_VERTICAL_RETICLE_INSTRUMENT

You simply lay the lower v-block on the barrel and slide the upper v-block over the objective bell, tighten the tension screw and level the rifle.  You don't have to depend on a flat anywhere on the rifle.  I am grateful to Sakomato for making me aware of this great tool!
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