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Way I see it, it's just a piece of metal.
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That is a pretty uniformed statement.  Rings are the integral linkage of the optical system to the firing system in the rifleman's "system of systems".  Poor quality rings can ensure you NEVER get the systems properly aligned.  With poorly machined rings, you can damage your scope so that it will never perform properly.  
Those "just a piece of metal"'s can ensure you are always a poor shot... or can help you be a better than average shot...  I guess it all depends on your goals and your ethics...


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I'm not sure how much it really matters as long as you don't overtorque them except they won't retain zero.  Tighten them too much and you get all kinds of issues.  As inexpensive as you can buy a set of Talley one piece, TPS, or Burris, I can't see cutting corners as much as I have spent on optics.
 
Some of the really higher priced stuff is hard to justify sometimes.  Do you really want to spend 750 on a scope and stick a set of $14.00 rings on it?  Just the ring mark potential...
 
That being said...I bought a set of American Rifle Company rings last week and all you can do is wonder if you have lost your mind when you buy a set of rings for well over 100.
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"The chain is as strong as it´s weakest link", I would say that lapping the rings or using Burris Signature Zee rings will improve surface contact area rings/scope, the use of Liquisole or other bonding goo will improve it further.
 
Have used a mix of ring brands during the years, including Weaver Top-mounts, have yet to experience a scope slip or get marred. (the heaviest recoil though is from a 9,3x74R)
 
The mistakes people make (at least in Sweden) is to overtorque screws, not lapping rings and (still) using 1" rings to 26mm tubes.
 
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KB is 100% correct.You want to look up the tread on Jono's take on the Aadland rings,gives a very good explination on what rings are capable of doing!
To answer your question;
02Silver,I don't use a $50 set of rings on my $3k scopes but I do use Burris tactical on my $725 Minox which ride my .22lr rifles.Money well spent!
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quality rings + quality scope + quality firearm = a positive in my book Big Smile
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the weakest link is the erector system, the next is those really tiny screws , the next is the guy boring the holes. rings even cheap ones have come along way.  Logically the most expensive rings should be used on the cheapest scopes, to counter tolerance stack up. More expensive scopes usually have better erector, thick tubes to counter. Have been using American Rifle company 3rd gen. for 3-4 months now and consider them the best out there, if you want to go that much. Less expensive ones somethimes have finishing flaws, Had 2 sets of burris tactical that weren't tapped well. stuff like that.
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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

KB is 100% correct.You want to look up the tread on Jono's take on the Aadland rings,gives a very good explination on what rings are capable of doing!
Must be Jon A (maker of said mount) or someone who has used them. Not that I would mind! From what I've heard they are excellent.
 
I learned the hard way and ruined a hunt (well, I got to watch my friend shoot a huge muley buck while I never fired a shot) with cheap rings. There are some that are really expensive, but IMO paying $65-$120 for some really good rings is not much. All the reasons have already been mentioned. I am partial to Seekins rings and bases, both for the engineering and the weight savings. And, yes, you should torque only to specs, regardless of the quality of scope or rings.
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Quality rings are absolutely, positively, completely 100% necessary.

Define 'quality.'
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Originally posted by Shenko Shenko wrote:

Quality rings are absolutely, positively, completely 100% necessary.

Define 'quality.'
in this case it would be machined to an exacting specification consistent with the intended scope body dimensions, in accordance with Mil-Std-1913, Mil-W-13855, and ASME y14.5m-2009.
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Quality does not have to cost a ton either.  In my experience Talley and Warne are both excellent quality.  I have Tally one piece scope mounts on my 45-70 and my light weight 300 wsm.  Both are pretty stiff in the recoil department and those rings have held up very well.  They cost me about $40 per set.   
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If you want more info than you ever wanted on overkill rings, check out http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2876622&page=1

I'm not saying I wouldn't mind a set or two (Jon A, we share the same first name, man!). However, most of us most of the time never need more than decent rings at a decent price. I will still say that if you can afford something like Seekins you won't go wrong. Also, if you think you'll be selling off a scope, ring marks (although cosmetic) cut resale value.
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I asked for recomendations a while back, simply because I have seem cheap rings ruin a hunt, because of a fall. I also came very close to smashing my gun into a tree, from a slip. I would strongly say that the scope mounts can be the weak link, for your set up. After recomendations I stepped up and paid quite a bit more than I was ever thinking of, and bought the Near base rings. My confidence is 100%, that I won't have zero issues due to a bump, or a clunk. You don't need to pay what I paid, but get the best you can afford.
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Good stuff, KB. 


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The weakest link is the mounting screws on the rifle receiver I think. Those tinny screws only have a 2~3 mm threads hold on to.
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^ That is what nice about tikka rifles their mounting system.
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Anyone want to recommend some decent yet cheap-ish rings to mount either a Nikon Prostaff or Vortex Diamondback (haven't decided which I'm gonna buy yet) onto a dovetail rail on a bolt .22lr.
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If you have Pictainny or weaver base, Weaver 4 Hole and 6 Hole Tactical would be nice:

 
 
 
They are strong enough, and light enough. Not as bulky as burris Tacitcal ring just as strong. Just make sure lightly lap them before tight down.
 
I have 6 hole rings in my FNAR. and 4 hole rings on my Sako A7. Works great.
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But I don't use Weaver made base though, quality is not as good.
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Weaver Quad Lock .22 1" Rings
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Get yourself some Burris Sig rings.  You'll love them.

http://swfa.com/Burris-Signature-22-1-Rings-C634.aspx
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So here's the whole varmit/plinking platform:

rifle: Marlin 39a or CZ 455
rings: Burris Sig. rings
scope: Nikon ProStaff 4x32 Rimfire

Decent enough for a budget set-up?
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7.6 LB with ring, base, scope, limsaver pad, and sling.
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Originally posted by Seamaster Seamaster wrote:

7.6 LB with ring, base, scope, limsaver pad, and sling.
7.8 lb I mean
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