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Looking at this std ACOG.  How would this be better than my current scope?:


Please be specific.  Is it just that I can throw my AR out of the back of my truck at highway speed, pick it up and shoot it?  . . .or are there other reasons to go ACOG?  Please be specific. 
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I have a 3x acog and it is a great optic. Small, light, excellent glass and i like the bdc reticle. And the illumination system is fantastic. I also have a 1-4x trijicon accupoint and overall i like it better. It is heavier, larger, and does not have the bdc. But i much prefer the variable mag and the true 1x at the bottom.

The 4x acog are very very short on eye relief. Because of that i would never buy one of them. The 3x is much better in that regard. For some reason they list the 3x with short eye relief, but i have had 3 of them and its around 4 inchs. The 4x is like 1.5 inches
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So, what makes your ACOG better than other good, let's say $200 - $300 3x-4x riflescopes?  Is the clarity better?  color rendition? resolution?  i.e. even though it is 3x, you can aim as well as the $500 6x??
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Check out the TA33, it has longer eye relief, but it loses out on field of view.

 
Everything is better. Glass is better. build quality. the fiber optics and triitium illumnaition is a big plus.  They are compact lightweght.  With optics you get what you pay for.
I have  TA33 on one of my ARs its an excellent optic.
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Originally posted by nksmfamjp nksmfamjp wrote:

So, what makes your ACOG better than other good, let's say $200 - $300 3x-4x riflescopes?  Is the clarity better?  color rendition? resolution?  i.e. even though it is 3x, you can aim as well as the $500 6x??


Yes, Yes, and Yes.  The optical quality of an ACOG is great.  The small size is a huge plus, with a LaRue mount my 3x weighs 7oz, try to get that with a full sized scope and mount.

Plus the lit reticle, both fiber optic and tritium are great.  For a fixed power scope for an AR, they are IMO the best you can get.  If you start comparing them to variable, then things get different dependent upon your needs.   

My wife has claimed mine.  Great fit on a lightweight AR IMO. 


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People either need and ACOG very very badly of they dont need one at all.  If you are military, law enforcement or for some unknown reason have people actively trying to shoot you then you need the ACOG and at that moment it is worth way more than it cost.  The illumination is tritium and fiber optic the lighted reticle guides the impact point onto target - bindon aiming concept - this happens very very quickly.  The rapid rate of target acquisition is what make this of value.    Now as far as durability I would not recommend abusing any optic -- they are glass --  if you dont understand that take an empty beer bottle outside and drop it on the sidewalk.   If you are Joe average and use a scope for hunting and target practice the truth is  --  no you really dont need an ACOG.   Hunting is supposed to be done in daylight hours so your need for illunimation is quite limited where your need for increased magnification may be significantly more than 4x.   A lot depends on what rifle you select to use also.   One of the nice things about an ACOG is that it is very small compared to other optics typically used on an AR platform rifle therefore it does not feel clunky, but I would not select one for a bolt action rifle.  The bottom line is that if nobody is shooting back at you then you dont need to spend the money on this because you have more time to place your shot and your money is better spent on an optic with highter magnification. 
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But Wes, what about the Cool look [:}?
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I have an acog and used it on my rifle for hunting this season. Of course i live in the mountains of Tennessee.  Moving through the woods with a light and compact scope is nice. The best part was the great glass and illumination. It allows you to easily find your reticle among all the clutter of the woods.
If your doing any kind of hunting except in the woods. More magnification would be preferred.
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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

But Wes, what about the Cool look [:}?
 
One can look cool for a lot less money but the function is not the same.
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For hunting on an AR I'd find the 5-20 on the heavy side. Ain't 5X about the end of the useful shooting distance? I'll be using an SS 3-9 on mine.
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I would never want more than 3x. I have tried 4x and that is just to much for me. But some even like fixed 6x for hunting
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I threw the 5-20 out there because it is in the same price range as an ACOG.   The type of rifle and how it is to be used determines what the correct optic is.    The optic is for an AR but we still dont know the use.  I put a SS 6x42 on an AR recently and that seems to be a pretty good match at a reasonable price.  (I went LaRue but BOBRO works also.) 
 
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Im still running these on  CQB guns,  I do notice the amber being a problem looking toward streetlights at night though so I prefer the red:
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SPL19415 Trijicon 1x24 Reflex II Dual Illuminated Sight DEMO-C
Click to view RX01NSN & RX10, 4.3 MOA Amber Dot
$299.95
SPL18982 Trijicon 3.5x35 Acog Rifle Scope DEMO-A
Click to view TA11JG, Matte, Green Crosshair, .223, Fiber Optic
$999.95
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Click to view TA11J, Matte, Red Crosshair, .223
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Click to view TA11E, Matte, Red Chevron, .308
$949.95
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Click to view TA11, Red Donut, .223, Fiber Optic
$949.95
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Click to view TA11SDOCP, Red Crosshair, M240 Ballistic
$1,649.95
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Click to view TARS103, JW Mil-Dot Reticle, Red LED, 34mm
$2,549.95
SPL19786 Trijicon 3-9x40 Accu-Point Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view TR20R, Matte, Red Triangle, 30mm
$629.95
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Click to view TA33R13, Matte, 7.62x39 Red Horseshoe/Dot
$829.95
SPL19147 Trijicon 4x32 Acog Rifle Scope DEMO-A
Click to view TA31H68, Matte, Red Horseshoe, 6.8
$929.95
SPL19521 Trijicon 4x32 Acog Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view TA01B, Matte, Full Red Line Illumination, .308
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Thanks for some details...I'm still not getting it fully, but I think I'd be interested in trying one based on it's ability to be slightly faster than a 4x scope. Also, an ACOG is basically a BUIS and scope in one which gets forgot about sometimes by me.

Worried about the 1.5" eye relief, but it's only a 5.56, I guess!
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Pay close attention to the specs between different models eye relief varies greatly and there are a couple of models that dont have the fiber optic but I prefer the fiber optic models.
When the eye releif is that short you want to mount it using this specific mount.
The 1.5 inches of eye relief is a little more forgiving than it sounds the system works very well and truely is the optic I go to for an AR
LaRue Tactical ACOG RCO Mount, LT681


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I would not be a bit hesitant about picking up a good used one off samplelist which will be a huge savings.
SPL19984 Trijicon 1x TriPower Reflex Sight DEMO-B
Click to view TX30, w/ Mount, Red Chevron, 30mm, Illum by 3 s...
$449.95
SPL19415 Trijicon 1x24 Reflex II Dual Illuminated Sight DEMO-C
Click to view RX01NSN & RX10, 4.3 MOA Amber Dot
$299.95
SPL19885 Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view TR222G, Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot, 30mm
$599.95
SPL18982 Trijicon 3.5x35 Acog Rifle Scope DEMO-A
Click to view TA11JG, Matte, Green Crosshair, .223, Fiber Optic
$999.95
SPL19145 Trijicon 3.5x35 Acog Rifle Scope DEMO-A
Click to view TA11J, Matte, Red Crosshair, .223
$999.95
SPL18980 Trijicon 3.5x35 Acog Rifle Scope DEMO-A
Click to view TA11, Red Donut, .223, Fiber Optic
$949.95
SPL19586 Trijicon 3.5x35 Acog Rifle Scope W/ 9.0 MOA RMR DEMO-A
Click to view TA11SDOCP, Red Crosshair, M240 Ballistic
$1,649.95
SPL18985 Trijicon 3-15x50 TARS Rifle Scope DEMO-A
Click to view TARS103, JW Mil-Dot Reticle, Red LED, 34mm
$2,549.95
SPL19786 Trijicon 3-9x40 Accu-Point Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view TR20R, Matte, Red Triangle, 30mm
$629.95
SPL19907 Trijicon 3-9x40 Accu-Point Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view TR20G, Matte, Green Triangle, 1"
$574.95
SPL19587 Trijicon 3x30 Acog Rifle Scope DEMO-A
Click to view TA33R13, Matte, 7.62x39 Red Horseshoe/Dot
$829.95
SPL19521 Trijicon 4x32 Acog Rifle Scope DEMO-B
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