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Need your help guys, my Father is in his senior years and would like to purchase a weapon for home defense.  I suggested a pump shotgun, but he's stuck on wanting a hand gun, any and all suggestions and reasoning would be greatfull. 
 
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I think that a pump shotgun is the best home protection gun without a doubt. You do not need to really aim and most of the pellets will not penetrate as many walls (or none at all) that a handgun would penetrate. I think that a semi-automatic handgun would be the ticket the caliber and model could be debated but Crimson Trace laser grips would be a good addition to that gun.
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Easy and simple operation, any make ----double action revolver in good old 38 S@W? no mags, no safety, no screwin around just point and shoot! Excellent


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 Get both!
 And a good flashlight.
 And a dog. (I don't really care for dogs myself, but they are great alarm systems.
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We got the dog and the flashlight covered, just need the weapon.
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Remember in our golden years we tend to be a little on the fumble side, forgetful side, arthritic side, and so on. Many things to consider? the easier the better.  Wink
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I really like a Glock 23.  They are really simple and function great.  You might want to get his opinions on auto vs. revolver (or if he cares).
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He hasn't owned or shot a firearm for 50yrs.  I think simple would be best, he plans on going to a CC class though.
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Originally posted by Monster Monster wrote:

I think that a pump shotgun is the best home protection gun without a doubt. You do not need to really aim and most of the pellets will not penetrate as many walls (or none at all) that a handgun would penetrate. I think that a semi-automatic handgun would be the ticket the caliber and model could be debated but Crimson Trace laser grips would be a good addition to that gun.
 
Not having to aim a shotgun in a self defense situation is a real misnomer, at short range like in your home a shotgun pattern even an open choke is not much different than a handgun or rifle. Also, a shotgun is much harder to yield in the home than a pistol or revolver. I would recommend a short barrel 38 revolver with Gold Dot short barrel +P ammo and Crimson Trace laser grips.
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How about one of these...pretty simple, recoil isn't bad, lots of ammo choices.
 
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Why does everybody want to put a double action revovler with a nasty trigger pull in to the hands of somebody whose hands will be weaker next year and each year after?
 
The same thing with a shotgun...  Its big and bulky, unless you have the NFA stamp. The persons motor skills, strength, and tolerance for recoil are going down each year. Work a shotgun and walker! Roll Eyes Hope your depends stay up.
 
I'll make some recomendations:
 
 9mm Commander (alloy preffered), Easy to work the slide, single action trigger, easy to grip can, get extra thin grips, handles fast to help make up for slow reaction time.
 
9mm Browning Hi-power single action trigger easy to work slide, No grip safety to worry, about easy to grip, reasonable trigger, handles fast or faster than the Commander
 
Beretta model 86: Just out of current production. Tip up barrel so no working the slide, .380 reasonable recoil, highly rated double action trigger,  reasonable single stack magazine grip (groved grip), a little more compact than the other two mentioned guns, but not much, very good sights. I've got its brother the model 85
 
Beretta Storm: Nice carbine, Short easy to handle in tigher spaces, not on any of the ban list I've seen, you can mount a light, Lazer available, will work one handed, could be fired under arm with lazer, no real recoil, 20 round mag 9mm, .40S&W should rock out 16" barrel, weight just over 5 pounds unloaded (compare that to shotgun).  
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Originally posted by Monster Monster wrote:

I think that a pump shotgun is the best home protection gun without a doubt. You do not need to really aim and most of the pellets will not penetrate as many walls (or none at all) that a handgun would penetrate.
 
YOU NEED TO TAKE A SHOTGUN CLASS!  You are responceable for every pellet that goes out of that gun.
 
Measure the longest distance in you house.  Test your shotgun for pattern at that distance.
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i just picked up a S&W model 67 in .38 special and its double action trigger is very easy to pull!!  If a person can't pull it, no need of having a gun!  Time to move to assisted living and let someone else worry/provide security.  I don't mean that in a disrepectful manner either.
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Why does everybody want to put a double action revovler with a nasty trigger pull in to the hands of somebody whose hands will be weaker next year and each year after?
 
The same thing with a shotgun...  Its big and bulky, unless you have the NFA stamp. The persons motor skills, strength, and tolerance for recoil are going down each year. Work a shotgun and walker! Roll Eyes Hope your depends stay up.
 
I'll make some recomendations:
 
 9mm Commander (alloy preffered), Easy to work the slide, single action trigger, easy to grip can, get extra thin grips, handles fast to help make up for slow reaction time.
 
9mm Browning Hi-power single action trigger easy to work slide, No grip safety to worry, about easy to grip, reasonable trigger, handles fast or faster than the Commander
 
Beretta model 86: Just out of current production. Tip up barrel so no working the slide, .380 reasonable recoil, highly rated double action trigger,  reasonable single stack magazine grip (groved grip), a little more compact than the other two mentioned guns, but not much, very good sights. I've got its brother the model 85
 
Beretta Storm: Nice carbine, Short easy to handle in tigher spaces, not on any of the ban list I've seen, you can mount a light, Lazer available, will work one handed, could be fired under arm with lazer, no real recoil, 20 round mag 9mm, .40S&W should rock out 16" barrel, weight just over 5 pounds unloaded (compare that to shotgun).  
 
Although I compete with Glocks and 1911's I have four (4) S&W revolvers and three of them have great double action triggers and don't forget, all you have to do is pull the hammer back and presto you are shooting single action.
Sam
 
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 One thing about a shotgun is that an elderly person is holding it with both hands,  making it less likely to be wrestled away from them than a handgun.  They have much more leverage to retain the firearm.

  I imagine an attacker could continue to fight after taking a handgun round or two.  Not so likely after a blast of  00 buckshot ...
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I have three double actions and three single actions, if the trigger pull is too much get it fixed,....why would anyone want to use a light weight commander or the like, it will kick the crap out of you, especially an elderly person. And with a double action you have your choice on how to use it single/double. In a terrified/panic situation an elderly person may forget that their auto pistol is still loaded after every shot? and this could be dangerous! Just my take for I have been down this road and my father shot guns and hunted till the day he died. And the revolver was his choice of weapon, knowing all these scenarios,..... again ....IMO

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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 One thing about a shotgun is that an elderly person is holding it with both hands,  making it less likely to be wrestled away from them than a handgun.  They have much more leverage to retain the firearm.

  I imagine an attacker could continue to fight after taking a handgun round or two.  Not so likely after a blast of  00 buckshot ...
 
IMHO, in a home defense situation a long arm is much easier to loose to a bad guy than a hand gun. I have tons of three gun matches as well as real combat under my belt and although both the carbine and shotgun have better stopping power, I'll take a handgun for close quarters combat almost every time.
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I have a close friend that is 76.  He can no longer pull back the slide on a 9mm.  He got rid of all his autos.  The 357 mag he had kicked him too hard and made him uncomfortable.  He went and bought the new Ruger SP101 in 327 Fed Mag and he loves it.  I hope to shoot it soon so I can compare. 
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If he isn't familiar with firearms and has arthritic problems, maybe a Tazor would fill the bill. The non lethal aspect may give more confidence in using it, rather than having the bad guy break thru his zone of safety and grab the weapon. As far as long arms who ever has there hands on the outside of the opponents hands has the leverage advantage. A sw revolver used on single action is an accident waiting to happen, and very few shoot enough to effectively use one in double action. Any old lady can charge a glock if using two hand push and pull technique.

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Besides 8shots can give him lessons using the Tazor, I think 8 said he practices on himself.
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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 One thing about a shotgun is that an elderly person is holding it with both hands,  making it less likely to be wrestled away from them than a handgun.  They have much more leverage to retain the firearm.

  I imagine an attacker could continue to fight after taking a handgun round or two.  Not so likely after a blast of  00 buckshot ...
 
IMHO, in a home defense situation a long arm is much easier to loose to a bad guy than a hand gun. I have tons of three gun matches as well as real combat under my belt and although both the carbine and shotgun have better stopping power, I'll take a handgun for close quarters combat almost every time.
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 I'm sure there are a lot of factors that come into play, but you have more experience in those scenarios than I do, so I'll defer to your opinion. Thank you for the advice!
 
 
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

... maybe a Tazor would fill the bill.... 

 
  I dunno.
I can just imagine some old guy pointing the TV remote at the perp and wondering why he won't go down!
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Its easier to have the handgun close,  rather than a shotgun that sets in the closet. Reaction time is everything.
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

... maybe a Tazor would fill the bill.... 

 
  I dunno.
I can just imagine some old guy pointing the TV remote at the perp and wondering why he won't go down!
  Or tazing the TV.
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a difficulty with talking about home defence and optimal equipment is that it puts the cart before the horse, it assumes certain capabilites accross the board between shooters that is in no way factual. So instead of discussing the techniques involved as would professionals, we discuss equipment like beginners. How could anyone know if they were faster with a handgun or shotgun unless they had shot some a least seemingly realistic scenarios on a timer Also the amt. of time/effort/practice is 10 times greater with a handgun than for the shotgun for most shooters. Weapons location ease of access, prep. time for the "ready" position. to say nothing about evacuation plans for family members (or at least the dog who won't stop barking, has no idea what is going on and drowning out the intruders sounds in the electronic ear muffs).
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