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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/14/2007 at 13:52
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Seems like our friend in Sweden is blaming the evil Jews for picking on the poor folks wearing the bomb belts. The socialist agenda taught in euro schools, echoed by euro press and politicans is all too clear to any observer. Just print out my post and save it for your children or grandchildren (or should I say "child"). Europe is broke, your unemployment and huge social programs will bankrupt your countries within 25 years and the influx of third and fourth world immigration combined with your negative birth rate will destroy your historical heritage. Ask the Persians, ask the Greeks, ask the Romans, ask the English. I imagine the Muslims will commit sucicide by shooting off a nuke in the USA in which case our "boomer" subs will reduce the Mid East to a glass parking lot BUT there's still those pesky Chinese to worry about. And BTW who makes the fighter aircraft that defend your country now? Not SAAB anymore I wager.
Hard to believe it's only been 60 years since Adolf killed himself but they have already forgotten.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/14/2007 at 17:05
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Slim, why not take this to a PM with Technica?

After having come back from exile, your being a PITA AGAIN. 

 

You Sir, are the epitome of "The Ugly American".

 

Be ADVISED!

 

Your being "milled". 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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that looks about 100 yards to me
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/14/2007 at 19:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/14/2007 at 19:37
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It is here because he dared me to step out here with it.
It may take a while to read it but here is where he and all the other euro antisemites are coming from. You should be aware there is a world beyond rifle scopes. And no I am not of the Jewish faith in fact most of my GrandMother's relatives who stayed in Germany were loyal Nazis. Read it and learn AND think about what it would be like if this were considered acceptable behaviour in the USA.

Jews in Sweden are afraid to be known as Jews
By Amiram Barkat

Daniel Schechner, a 21-year-old law student from Stockholm, makes sure to conceal even the slightest hint of his Jewishness when he goes out in public.

When he says that he lives a double identity, he means that at work, school and in the street he would not voluntarily reveal his religion. He uses his non-Jewish last name, which he asks the reporter not to print. He does not dream of walking down the street while wearing a skullcap, Star of David or T-shirt with Hebrew on it, and when he went to Israel, he told people that he went to another country.

Schechner says that when he and his friends speak about "Jewish" subjects like synagogue or kashruth, they use code words. Nevertheless, the camouflage doesn't always provide perfect protection. Schechner relates that not long ago, when he was standing in a subway car, he was approached by someone who looked like a homeless person, who asked him about the "Jewish situation."

"What do you want from me? I'm a Swede," Schechner replied. The only response was: "Treat the Palestinians nicely." Says Schechner: "Then he muttered something about my having a Jewish nose."

Schechner, whose grandfather came to Sweden at the beginning of the 20th century, says that until three years ago, he was deeply rooted in Swedish society, but is not so sure anymore that Jews have a future in the country. "I have a hard time with the idea that there is anti-Semitism here," he says. "But I have an even harder time with the unwillingness that I feel from the Swedish establishment to deal with the roots of the hatred that is directed at the Jews living here."

An estimated 18,000 Jews live in Sweden. Some 5,500 of them are registered members of the Jewish community of Stockholm, 1,800 in the Goteborg community, and 1,200 in Malmo. The remainder does not belong to any community.

It is hard to see anti-Semitism in Sweden. A report by the EU's Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia (the report which was at first shelved, and only publicized after a public outcry) mentions isolated cases of physical attacks on Jews. Study of the collection of reports for 2003 of Israel's Forum to Coordinate the Struggle Against Anti-Semitism shows that damage to Jewish property was also relatively slight - bottles throws at a synagogue or the daubing of swastikas in a Jewish cemetery.

Nevertheless, Jews living in Sweden says that they, their friends and a majority of the Jews that they know are taking extra precautions when they step out into the street. "Most of the crimes now being committed against Jews are impulsive," says researcher and member of the Jewish community, Mikael Tossavainen. "If people see a Jew they react, usually with verbal violence and on rare occasions physical assault, as well."

Anders Carlberg, president of the Jewish community of Goteborg, says that "when you arrive in a new and unfamiliar environment, you have to be cautious as regards your background; maybe there will be someone Muslim or from the extreme left." Carlberg says that Swedish Jews are seeing an old behavioral code that has reappeared. "The Jews only began to be proud of their Jewishness in the 1980s, at which time Swedish society went through a process of openness to multiculturalism," he says, "but things have changed in the past two years, and now a lot of people once again prefer not to be so up front about their Jewishness."

As Carlberg sees it, the modest number of physical attacks is evidence of the success of the low-profile policy, not an indication that the threat is not serious. "The fear of being attacked in the primary concern of Jews in Sweden today," he states. On the day after the conversation with Carlberg, his son and three of his friends were attacked in a restaurant in Malmo by a gang of Muslim youths, but were rescued without injury thanks to police intervention.

The Swedish secret services are the only organization in the country that conducts separate registration of incidents described as actions committed with an anti-Semitic background. In 2002, 131 incidents were recorded, but the vast majority was not directed against life and limb, but rather were expressed as threats, hate mail or minor property damage. The secret services do not divulge details about the identity of the suspects.

"I would not be surprised if it turned out that most of the attackers, maybe even 80 percent of them, were Muslims," says the president of the Stockholm Jewish community, Lena Posner-Koeroesi. Officials in the Swedish Jewish community emphasize that they consider only a small percentage of Sweden's 400,000 Muslim immigrants to be a threat.

Tossavainen says that the "risk groups" mainly comprise persons whose background includes one or more of the following traits: religious fanaticism, young age or country of origin in North Africa or elsewhere in the Arab world.

All of the appeals to government leaders in Sweden to take action against the phenomenon or at least to recognize its existence have as yet failed to produce any results. Politicians in the country are accustomed to treating anti-Semitism as part of a larger problem.

"Whenever officials here agree to do something about anti-Semitism, they always group it together with Islamophobia and homophobia," says Lena Posner-Koeroesi. "Personally, I'm not even clear on what Islamophobia is, and why it is different from ordinary xenophobia. But aside from that, I cannot understand this stubbornness to link the three phenomena together. In my opinion, each of these phenomena is unique and calls for a separate discussion."

"I'm not surprised that the Swedes are skeptical of the Jews' accusations," says Tossavainen. "They are simply disconnected from what is going on in the large Muslim communities in the suburbs." Last October, the Council Against Anti-Semitism in Sweden, a voluntary body set up in the `80s by former deputy prime minister Per Ahlmark, issued a report drafted by Tossavainen that surveyed anti-Semitism among Muslim immigrants, from a variety of angles.
Opposition to lessons on Holocaust

The report sparked numerous responses in the Swedish media, mainly about interviews that Tossavainen conducted with about 20 school teachers in Stockholm, Malmo and Goteborg. Most interviewees complained that they met opposition from some of their Muslim students when they tried to give lessons about Jewish or the Holocaust. "The teachers said that they had the impression that the children had absorbed their negative opinions of Jews at home, from other family members, or from watching Muslim media," says Tossavainen. He says he was surprised by the objections to the report voiced by Muslim public figures, most of whom admitted that there was a problem.

Some public figures, he says, justified the hatred of Jews. They were native Swedes. On October 20, the well thought of Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter ran an article by an Islamic studies scholar named Jan Samuelsson, who wrote that there was no reason to expect the Arabs to stop hating the Jews so long as the latter are occupying their lands. "Muslims who seek to take out their frustrations on Israel are met with understanding in Swedish society," says Carlberg. "The message they get here is
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Rootmanslim, your initial post was pretty aggressive. I have been to the Campus Watch site and you have posted an article from there. The question I have is how did this all get started. Was it on one of our forums here at OT? This is a very serious subject and Barkat's article does provoke thought. If this is to continue, though, some of the rhetoric needs to tone down from your first post. There's room for everyone here and I hope they are heard from.
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wow this is a little deeper than windage and elevation!!
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/14/2007 at 21:01
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We might need a 180 moa rail. 
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/14/2007 at 21:40
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I have to agree with root here, as I know other prominent member would, BUT...

This ain't the place.  Maybe we need a new rule of engaggement; no religion and politics only as it relates to guns, optics, and shooting.

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root-whats your point-it's not a perfect world? or that people in euro have no idea what shooting is llike in the US?-no one here needs a lecture-180 MOA hell need a bullsh*t rail.
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i agree with Dale all of this is bullsh*t on this great forum.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/14/2007 at 22:26
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It got started because our friend from Sweden was attacking the jews for picking on the ragheads, saying that the USA was the cause of all middle east problems and some other crap that is typical of the euro assh----s who have depended on us, our blood and treasure to bail them out of stupidity.
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Sorry Dale, I thought 180 moa was a rail.  You guys who shoot tactical and other tack drivers know more than me. Mike is right, this needs to go away pronto. I would hate for this site to look like some of the others out there. Almost Anything Goes needs to stay, though.
" have to agree with root here, as I know other prominent member would, BUT..."
Can't imagine what is going on with "you know who" but this road is bad and I feel bad. OT is fun and this is NOT!
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" our friend from Sweden was attacking the jews for picking on the ragheads, saying that the USA was the cause of all middle east problems and some other crap that is typical of the euro assh----s who have depended on us, our blood and treasure to bail them out of stupidity." Rootmanslim



I have not seen this on any of the OT forums. If it is, where is the link? If this was a PM between you two, keep it there. Don't turn this site into an ugly place, there is enough of that else where.

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Here is his exact quote from the SWARO Z6 post

"As a US citizen you should not complain about European polictics in the middle east.

US is activly trying their absolutely best do disstablize the whole world by supporting Israel regardless of how badly they behave and misstreat people. Regardless of what the wests thinks about muslems there is really no reason to jump on their throats as it's only leeds to desperate actions that serves noone.

There is not just ones fault in that conflict but the ways Israel are acting is clear that they were good pupils to "der Fuhrer".

So please clean in front of your own door before you complaint abouth others..."

Maybe you might think this is okay but my father fought the Germans while the Swedes and most other Euros knuckled under and happily packed up the death camp trains. Outside of handsome blond women of easy virtue, the 6.5x55 and the sauna, I'm not sure what Sweden has contributed to saving the world.
I'm sure when Iran gives the mullahs the bomb and they pop it off in Chicago the Swedish army (is there one??) will mobilize to help us rid the Middle East of these wackos.(Marching arm & arm with the French & Spanish)
There were lots of folks who thought Churchill and FDR were full of BS in 1938, SVD, in fact my old home town had a big American Nazi Bund group. Different enemy same wishfull thinkers here.We might not be a lucky this time around.....
AND FYI, euro dupes, it wasn't Jews who flew into the twin towers, pentagon and a PA field on 9/11.
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Could you find it tahqua????
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Root I read what he said and I did not agree as I do not agree with some of the stuff you have posted.

Let it go, this site is to great to have political and religious views laced throughout some of the best

practical optics coversations ever posted online.

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Well, rootmanslim, I have enough going on without this one. I don't disagree but I come to OT to escape and enjoy the company of the optics enthusiasts here. This whole posting is negative and not in keeping with the good intentions of our hosts. This is Almost Anything Goes, in my book this one pushes "almost". 

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SVD... what part of "everything else" did you miss?
This guy called me out, told me to come to this thread where he was gonna eat my lunch. If you don't wish to participate, you need not. But don't try the censorship route (again) on a thread specifically set aside for "anything goes". Maybe you can convince this anti-american, anti-semite to retract his views or are you willing to tolerate that type of crap because he can spout all the latest info on Swaros? "All that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to remain silent". When I went to school we learned words like that. Today they are no doubt banned because somebody's self esteem might be damaged. Not agreeing won't cut it. Outrage and telling him what he and those like him are is what is required.
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Root I do not tolerate his racist views or some of the racist views you have posted towards minorities in he US.

I have confonted you in the past but I did not know Hakan was like this, I have PM'ed him in the past and we

have shared exellent optics information. I will PM him again right now.

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The difference is that his "criminals" are innocent... mine are the ones who want to kill us... ever hear of the Lackawanna 7 ??? Those guys who flew the planes got flight training here... remember??? You think I'm racist? Wait till they pop off a nuke in Chicago and President Hillary reopens the internment camps, I'll await seeing you on the protest line ranting about the suspension of their rights. Remember what the venerated Abe Lincoln did in our Civil War to preserve the Union ? (probably can't teach that either or the ACLU would sue) As one pundit said: "it's 1938 and nobody gets it" (and he worked for slick willie!) Scopes are fun but we are at war and it's gonna be a tough one to win.
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On Swaros, now there's something we can talk about here. I have much experience with their 7x42 porro prism binoculars and they are as clear as my Zeiss 7x42. A friend had his 3-9 scope break twice on two different hunts and I am know biased on a small sampling of their products. Call me a pin head, statistically speaking.

On anti-semites, I have no use for them, either, and I will pay more attention to postings around here.

On angry men stirring up sh*t, well..................talk about Lyman scopes or something.

 

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Tahqua, if it's too hot in the "anything goes" thread then quietly close the door on the way out. Maybe a two or three month trip thru Europe in lieu of some new gun & scope would open your eyes to the dimension of the threat, the hatred toward America and the revived anti-semitism. There are millions of uneducated, young, unemployed Muslim youth in Europe who are ripe for explotation by the fanatics (does London bombing ring any bells?)France ADMITS to 14% Muslims which is probably about as accurate as our count of illegal Hispanics et al.Dig out that 15th century history book and read up on the Moorish invasion of Europe that was barely stopped by Ferdinand & Isabella (the folks who bankrolled Columbus). Almost lost it all then by war...now the Euros are gonna lose by being outbred. We live in interesting times.
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I have taken a month long trip through Europe, whoop dee doo. I have studied world history as an undergrad requirement and once again, whoop dee doo. Bottom line, most of your posts are angry. I don't agree with the Swaro posting and maybe it should not have been. Question, who pushed the button first............DOH!

 

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So if no one had discovered the gassed Kurds and raised the point then it would have been okay cause nobody knew about it? Ditto the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans and ditto our Swedish friend and his belt bombers justifiers? Man how can you hear anything with your ears so full of sand? As to angry, you got it right.. I saw those people jumping out of the Towers and I don't intend to forget it until everyone of those fanatic bastards is dead.I'm a real hard ass when it comes to people who want to kill me and mine and if a few million have to die to stop it...so be it. As the Boomers T-Shirt says "24 away, it's Miller Time". More Pattons less Powells
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