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I am looking for a low-power scope to put on a hard kicking rifle, a  T/C Encore in .376 Steyr .  I would like a fixed-power scope as this is going to be an elk and bear rifle, and I do not need or want any complications from a variable, such as somehow turning the power up to the high end without noticing.  I am looking for something like a 4X.

So who makes these scopes today?  Leupold does, but who else?
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   IOR....ZEISS......KAHLES if you can find one?
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Check out IOR Valdada.
 They make a very nice-looking 4x hunting scope.
 They have a great reputation for outstanding glass quality, and the price is fairly reasonable, too.
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Looks like nothing available from Zeiss or Kahles.  I need to check out IOR.

What happened to the fixed power market?  I would think there is still a demand for fixed power scopes. 
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I have the IOR 4X on a 45/70 and it is a great little scope.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I have the IOR 4X on a 45/70 and it is a great little scope.
 
 How does it perform in the low light, Rancid?
 Which reticle do you have in yours?
 There is a Buy Now popup on IOR's website that almost completely obliterates their reticle option images. I would like to see the post reticle, subtension,etc.  if anybody knows what it looks like, I'd like to hear about it!
 I may need to call IOR about fixing that image...
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Thanks for the Zeiss and S&B links.  The S&B looks promising.
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It performs well in low light. 

I think I have the #4.



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Downside to the S&B is the eye relief.  I am not sure I would only want 3.3 inches on a big caliber like that.  
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 Thanks, Rancid.
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Yeah, the eye relief on the S&B is a concern.
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I have a 4x with 3.35 inch eye relief on my .458 Lott... never had a problem.
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If you can afford it, I would go with the S&B.
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The S & B is a dandy but I think it's a steel tube ... if that factors in to your decision.
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The S&B is looking pretty good.  The extra weight is a bit of concern, not for carrying, but for slipping in the rings under recoil.   The tube is aluminum alloy per the specs.  14 ounces, though, is not the heaviest scope every mounted on a rifle with lots of recoil.  Thus, I am comfortable with the weight.

I am going to weigh my choices in the next few days.  Make a decision on the weekend and purchase on Monday.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I have a 4x with 3.35 inch eye relief on my .458 Lott... never had a problem.
 
Boy....now that is really pushing it, Kick ....I take it the length of pull on that thing must be just right for you.....if it was just a little tad-bit short...........!!!!   Shocked   
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My wife asked me a craft question.  Basically, she wants to know why I think the S&B 4X is worth about three times the Leupold 4X.  I am not sure I have an answer.  I know about diminishing returns, but she has a point.  I can get about 95% of the performance for 33% of the cost.  Arrggghhhh!!!
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I have a 4x with 3.35 inch eye relief on my .458 Lott... never had a problem.
 
Boy....now that is really pushing it, Kick ....I take it the length of pull on that thing must be just right for you.....if it was just a little tad-bit short...........!!!!   Shocked   
Ed, the LOP on that rifle is right at 13.75" which makes it about .75" short for me.  But I can adjust.  It seems to work well.  Yippee
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Originally posted by farscott farscott wrote:

My wife asked me a craft question.  Basically, she wants to know why I think the S&B 4X is worth about three times the Leupold 4X.  I am not sure I have an answer.  I know about diminishing returns, but she has a point.  I can get about 95% of the performance for 33% of the cost.  Arrggghhhh!!!
That is a hard one, but I do not personally believe you get 95% with a Leupold of what you get from S&B.  I did, however, "release" the S&B I had because I had too much invested for what I needed/wanted.  Don't make your purchase based upon the name, but based upon what YOU want 1st, need and can afford 2nd, and what you can get away with 3rd (or maybe 1st).  I could not justify the S&B to myself or to my wife.  It IS a superior optical device, however. 
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Yeah, it is a hard one.  So hard, that I have not yet made a decision. 
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Try the IOR 4x.  It will have the best glass next to the S&B, but is priced more like the Leupold.  
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I have the IOR 4X on a 45/70 and it is a great little scope.
How can you say that???? It ONLY has 3.5 inches of eye relief.  Shocked
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