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as always Top notch work ILya.  Very good read.

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That's a great comparison, especially the way you organized testing and dealt with the disparities among the scopes...altogether informative.

Re: turrets. My Premier is the DT model - so more like 13 mRad per turn but that is still enough to get a .308 round out to trans-sonic territory in one turn. I just got my NF 2.5-10X32 back and out to the range today after getting the turrets converted to mils. While I definitely like that better, the 5 mRad per turn still leaves me liking the Premier's turrets more. Granted it's only 2.5 turns or less that it will likely ever see to get it out to 1000+ yards and it has zero-stop now...but still not as good. I wonder what NF's new fast-turn turrets are like but seriously doubt I'll ever own another one. Most of these offerings you discuss under $2K are more enticing - both in terms of features and price - as well as glass quality. A 3-18 IOR is most likely.
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Very detailed,informative, well thought out and written review.
 
Glad to hear the HD did so good.
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Thanks for the great reviews as always. They make for excellent reads and i learn something new each time i get to open one up.  
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Very detailed,informative, well thought out and written review.
 
Glad to hear the HD did so good.

Thanks.

The 10x42HD did exceptionally well, especially considering the price.  Personally, I wish it was a 10x50 instead, to help with low light, but otherwise, I have nothing to complain about.

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Thanks Ilya,

It seems March actually came through with the mythical 10x erector.  Awesome.

Now if that technology can just trickle down to scopes most of us can afford.
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Thanks Ilya!! Great Review!
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Thanks Ilya,

It seems March actually came through with the mythical 10x erector.  Awesome.

Now if that technology can just trickle down to scopes most of us can afford.


I am sure it is coming.  I know of a couple of companies who will be introducing high erector ratio scopes (although not quite 10x) in more affordable price ranges over the next year or two.

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Now that sounds interesting.
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Thanks for the review, good information
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Nice job as usual, Ilya!  Thanks for your time and efforts in providing your consistently informative reviews, my friend!
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Very thorough and complete. Excellent review. Thank you.
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You didn't feel comfortable saying, "My friend Rancid"?

Great review.

I knew I loved my Premier, nice to know it ain't just me.

And, surprisingly, as good as the Premier is, the Hensoldt is a little better.  I spent about 2 hours this weekend looking through the Hensoldt, no problems, it is fantastic (and keep the weak eye open, it helps with the eye fatigue.)
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

You didn't feel comfortable saying, "My friend Rancid"?

Great review.

I knew I loved my Premier, nice to know it ain't just me.

And, surprisingly, as good as the Premier is, the Hensoldt is a little better.  I spent about 2 hours this weekend looking through the Hensoldt, no problems, it is fantastic (and keep the weak eye open, it helps with the eye fatigue.)

I was tempted to say "my rancid friend Jeff", but chose against it Big Smile.

I will need to find a way to put Hensoldt and Premier together some time.  Perhaps, I'll come up with something during the next round of comparing high end scopes.

Based on some preliminary experience with Hensoldt and Premier, both have their strengths.  I suspect Hensoldt has an edge with its eyepiece (eye position flexibility an dmarginally wide field of view, lighter weight and low light performance (large objective lens for the most part).  Premier has an edge in magnification range and greater depth of field, in addition to ZeroStop.

Bottom line, both are very nice scopes.

However, Nathan tells they will have something very new and very interesting at SHOT, but refuses to tell me what it is.  I am sure Premier will have something as well.

We'll just have to wait and see.  I already got my badge number for SHOT 2011 and I am checking out hotels right now.

ILya

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"My friend Rancid" does sound a little putrid..............
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Gentlemen, 

The response to this article has been very good, so I am considering doing a Part2 that will include some scope I did not cover.

What would you like to see in "Part 2"?

ILya
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Hensoldt, USO, Nightforce, S&B, and the new (my elevation knob is bigger than yours) Leupy
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Hensoldt, USO, Nightforce, S&B, and the new (my elevation knob is bigger than yours) Leupy

If you are talking about this Leupold:



I do not think it is available to the public yet (or at least not that I have seen it).

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That is the one!  I thought you might be able to get your hands on one, Ilya! Wink
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

That is the one!  I thought you might be able to get your hands on one, Ilya! Wink

I do not have any pull with Leupold (that I am aware of), but it is an interesting looking scope.  I'll see if I can get my hands on one, but that is unlikely.

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I would also like to see a Leupold added to your excellent work on this topic.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I would also like to see a Leupold added to your excellent work on this topic.

I think I will have a Leupold of some sort in the follow-up.  I am currently setting up the format and the contenders and once everything is ironed out, I will provide more details.

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ILya, Great job.  (about time we got some real work out of you).  

Seriously, outstanding report.  Very valuable information told in a very "readable" format.  Thank you for such an effort.  

"Attaboy" to you...
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