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I am looking for advice on what I hope will be the last high-end tactical scope I ever buy.  My rifle is a Rem 700 in .300 Win mag and the application is long range target.  I understand that I could spend alot less for this application however I have the cash and really want something that will last both mine and my children lifetime (no pressure!) 

I am looking to order today!  

I am interested in the following scopes...  (note I listed the "thing that is making me not order it today)

Kahles K624i 6-24x56

- worried about CA

Schmidt & Bender Police Marksman 5-25x56

- worried about tunneling on low end and poor warranty 

Premier Reticles Heritage 5-25x56mm RifleScope w/ XR Mildot,


- worried about lots of people hate this company

Hensoldt ZF 6-24x56mm Tactical Riflescope 


- worried about SFP and warranty


So what would you buy?  Any real world A/B test information you can share?  
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Lots of love right now for the Kahles ....
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Kahles would be my choice. Here is a link to a review by a very knowledgeable individual here.

http://www.opticstalk.com/kahles-k624i-vs-everything-else_topic34865.html
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now also considering the S&B 3-20x50 PM II.  

I wish there was only one option
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Honestly if I had the money. it would be the Premier! As far as features and glass are concerned, The Heritage is the gnat's azz... But that might just change with "The Beast" coming from Night Force. The bad news there is, they have already pre-sold about a year of manufacturing run.


 There are first focal plane Henny's in the 6-24, but they are spendy and quite rare... 
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I own a few of the scopes on the list, it'd be between the Hensoldt and the Kahles for me.

For either, I wouldn't worry much about warranty.

My only complaint of the Kahles is a slight bit of CA, which bothers me, but not enough to sell the scope.

For target only, I wouldn't worry at all about SFP vs FFP, you will be good to go with SFP.


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I agree with RC. SFP will suffice "most" shooter scenarios. 
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I won a few of the scopes on the list, it'd be between the Hensoldt and the Kahles for me.

For either, I wouldn't worry much about warranty.

My only complaint of the Kahles is a slight bit of CA, which bothers me, but not enough to sell the scope.

For target only, I wouldn't worry at all about SFP vs FFP, you will be good to go with SFP.


RC how did you win a few of those scopes?

And yes SFP would be fine for targets.
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If anybody still hates Premier then that person has some serious emotional issues. The company made some mistakes a good while back and was sometimes fairly/sometimes not hit hard for them. I've had both the Heritage 3-15 and LT 3-15 and they are both excellent scopes. I no longer have any high-end scopes because my shooting has changed (devolved?) back to shorter ranges and hunting in rugged, high altitude country, where I want to go light and not worry about damaging a scope. (Now running a Tikka T-3 Lite/Manners EHT stock/Super Sniper 3-15).
 
I will caution you that all scopes, even the highest of the high end, will occasionally s*** the bed. It's a great goal to acquire a scope that will be passable to the next generation. Chances are it will make it. But keep in mind that, unlike most rifles, parts and available repair services for a scope might not exist even ten years from now. Personally, I'd buy high end if I was going to use it a lot. Otherwise, maybe consider some other options like the SS 5-20 or Vortex. Get enough scope to get the job done well but keep in mind the higher the price the more the returns diminish.
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I agree.

Premier is by no means a slouch and they too are among my favorites; however, at the top of the heap, Hensoldt (optical quality is phenomenal and eye box alone is worth the price of admission) and Kahles (glass is quite good, a little CA, but I really like the parallax setup, pretty good eye box, and I like the turrets.) I have no used the 5-25X Premier, but have used both 3-15s quite a bit and still have the original heritage 3-15 - and probably always will.
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Thanks for all the help.  I ordered a Schmidt & Bender Police Marksman 5-25x56.  At the end I have always wanted one so what the heck...  I do planing on checking this tunneling thing and if it bothers me I will return it.  I purchased from competitor for just under 3k with their 12% off coupon and free ship.  Also took advantage of 0% financing through Paypal.  

For me and my research I would have like the Hensoldt in FFP first, however competitor only had them with mil-dot reticle.  This is driven by both being the best glass and the most forgiving eyebox.  Second to me was the S&B, followed by Kahles and Premier.   Please note, that this opinion is basically junk because I have never looked through any of these scopes.  These conclusions come from a collection of 10's (maybe hundreds) of forums posts.  Don't be surprised if my next post is me returning the S&B for the Kahles! 

I do agree that SFP is fine for target, however I could not spend this much on a SFP scope. 
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Originally posted by justinbiscuit justinbiscuit wrote:

...however I could not spend this much on a SFP scope. 
Ain't that the truth. I think SFP is fine for 10X and under. Otherwise FFP is the way to go. This morning, I happened to see a Leupold van at the car wash...was half way tempted to stop and ask to look through one of their million dollar 1-8s. But figured they'd never try peddling those to the general public anyway...just military procurement officers.
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Funny how there isn't more love for S&B...I consider these as good as made in the world today...Optically I don't think you will do any better.
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

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Dammit!


As for S&B, when they got the Marine day scope contract, their prices skyrocketed.  Premier kinda did the same thing, but enjoys a bit more love since they are/were  (kinda) a US company and S&B is not, and Premier got love for having departed a relationship with Leupold.

I don't mind S&B, they are making better stuff now - and other brands have been bumping up prices such that stratospheric is now the new norm, at least on this stuff.  (I shoot lefty allot and would own S&B except for their illumination control not working well for lefties.)
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Originally posted by ahiaring ahiaring wrote:

Funny how there isn't more love for S&B...I consider these as good as made in the world today...Optically I don't think you will do any better.

At top end magnification, that is correct.

Across the magnification range, there are other options that are better.

I am wrapping up with the comparison of 5-25x56 and similar models.

ILya
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


I am wrapping up with the comparison of 5-25x56 and similar models.

ILya


If I may, what other scopes are in the comparison?
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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


I am wrapping up with the comparison of 5-25x56 and similar models.

ILya


If I may, what other scopes are in the comparison?

For this one I looked at Steiner 5-25x56, Kahles 6-24x56, Premier 5-25x56, March 5-40x56 and a couple of S&B 5-25x56s.

ILya
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Nice line up. Looking forward to your thoughts.
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ILya - Your write up on this topic would have made my life much easier.  I have followed your advice for just about every other rife I have and have been happy.  I have 30 days until I get the scope and 30 days after that to return it.  Any chance you would be done by then?
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