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I'm new to this forum and have read several helpful posts. I know this subject has probably been beaten to the ground but here it goes. Getting ready to start my hunting season and looking for a new scope in the 600.00-1000.00 range. Looking for a scope that is just an all around pleasure to have in your pack or riding around in the truck with. Nothing to big or to small and just flat out a good scope. Opinions?

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Kahles, IOR, Zeiss, Meopta. Bushnell 4200, or 6500 elites. Nikon Monarchs, Sightron, Vortex Diamond back, or Viper . Take your pick all are good.

 
We will be happy to assist you in narrowing this down. We will need additional information suck as Calibre, and low light use preference. How will you be hunting, powerline easements, or back in the swampy areas. All of these things can affect which will serve you the absolute best.
 
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Sorry I wasn't clear in my post. It's a new spotting scope that I'm after. Thanks

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OOPS!!!!!! You are correct, this is the spotting scope forum. My apologies........
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no problem any suggestions?
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Nikon, Bushnell Elite. These are good for the money.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/03/2008 at 11:21
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Originally posted by johnnysflooring johnnysflooring wrote:

...looking for a new scope in the 600.00-1000.00 range.
  There is a fair variety of good options in this price range.  But first, we need to address your next statement
Originally posted by johnnysflooring johnnysflooring wrote:

Looking for a scope that is just an all around pleasure to have in your pack or riding around in the truck with.
These two desires are fairly mutually exclusive.  When using a scope out of a truck you don't have to worry at all about the size or weight of the scope.  That opens up lots of possibilities for 80+mm scopes that really are the "bee's knees" for image quality. 
 
These bigger scopes however, are not so well adapted to having in your pack.  They are uniformly excessively heavy and, even if you're stout enough that the weight doesn't bother you, they're so big that they take up almost an entire daypack, especially when you consider you need a tripod to use them.  For such uses the smallest 50mm scopes really shine.  They are really quite small and take up very little space in a pack.  They offer suprisingly good image quality  that is easily up to the task of any normal North American hunting, though obviously not as good as the big spotters, especially in dim light.  
 
Then of course, there are the middle-of-the-pack, 60+mm class of spotters.  They are smaller and lighter than the big guns so; they are easier to pack around but, also are generally dimmer and offer slightly less resolution.  They are bigger than the 50mm minis so; they offer brighter images and better resolution but, are bigger and heavier, making them more difficult to pack.
 
So, the question that needs to be answered first is - what class(es) of spotting scope do you think will serve you best?


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I think middle of pack 60mm+ is what I would be looking for. Just how big and bulky are the 80mm+ units. Again I will be using this scope in the field either packing it or strapped to my atv. It will be used for hunting and maybe some range work only. thanks
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how big of a difference is there in the 50mm+ versus 60mm+?
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Originally posted by johnnysflooring johnnysflooring wrote:

I think middle of pack 60mm+ is what I would be looking for. Just how big and bulky are the 80mm+ units. Again I will be using this scope in the field either packing it or strapped to my atv. It will be used for hunting and maybe some range work only. thanks
 
Strapped to your ATV (and properly padded) you would be fine.
 
I really believe these scopes to be simply too big for carrying in a pack.   Some people do it but, I think they are making too much of a compromise on what other gear they can effectively carry.  Perhaps it would be O.K. if you were on a guided hunt where you aren't personally carrying as much gear.  (I could never do that as I'm too paranoid about relying on others to have what I think I need.)  Or perhaps on an African Safari where there might be porters to carry all your gear for you. 
 
 


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Sounds reasonable. Then how about your top picks for 50mm+ and 60mm+ in the 600.00 -1000.00 dollar range. Thanks
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Originally posted by johnnysflooring johnnysflooring wrote:

how big of a difference is there in the 50mm+ versus 60mm+?
There is a definite difference, primarily at first and last light.  It was not enough of a difference to get me to buy a 60mm scope.
 
Personally, I have found the 60mm class of scopes to be too much compromise on both ends of the spectrum.  For this reason, I bought a good 80mm scope for when I'm in my vehicle, don't have a lot of extra gear to carry, and/or want to engage in digiscoping.  I then have a 50mm scope for backcountry hunting, travelling, or any time size and weight are primary concerns.  It is possible to do this close to your $1000 budget.
 
My specific choices were
Bushnell Elite 20-60x80 straight.  retail ~ $650
Leupold Golden Ring 15-30x50. retail ~ $400 (I found mine for less)
 
Here are some other good options you might want to try.  I have highlighted the ones I think are the so-called "best in class" though, that does not mean they are the ones I would/did necessarily pick for myself.
 
50mm class:
Minox MD50 ($350)
Brunton Eterna ED50 ($400)
Nikon Fieldscope ED50 ($750)
 
60mm class
Stokes Sandpiper ($300)
Bushnell Excursion FLP ($320)
Bushnell Elite ($350)
Nikon Spotter XL II ($450)
Pentax PF-65 ($750)
Minox MD62 ($800)
Leupold Golden Ring [non-HD] ($800)
 
80mm class
Vortex Sandpiper ED ($650)
Pentax PF-80 ($1000)
 


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Thanks for all the help and suggestions. Would I benefit greatly if i went over the 1000.00? If so what would be the benefits and which scopes would they be. Also in order to pick one should they be test driven first? I live in a small area and don't have the resources to test all these different scopes. Any suggestions?

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Originally posted by johnnysflooring johnnysflooring wrote:

Would I benefit greatly if i went over the 1000.00?
That depends a lot on you, you're eyesite, your experience with optics, your expectations, and you personal level of brand-loyalty.
 
I personally do not see enough of a difference in high-dollar scopes to warrant their extra expense.  Some people do, I'm just not one of them.  
 
 
Originally posted by johnnysflooring johnnysflooring wrote:

If so what would be the benefits and which scopes would they be.
  This depends on how much over $1000 you are willing/able to go. 
The Nikon Fieldscope is a great spotter and runs for around $1300-$1500 depending on the model. 
The Zeiss Diascope starts around $1500 and is considered one of the best scopes in the world. 
Swarovski and Leica have scopes that are equally as good, but that start at around $2000.  
If you want the absolute King of field-worthy spotting scopes, the Kowa TS-880 series has no rivals.  It starts at a bit over $2600
 
Originally posted by johnnysflooring johnnysflooring wrote:

Also in order to pick one should they be test driven first? 
Ideally, yes. If you can't do this then, you'll just have to make your best guess as to which will serve you best.  Try to buy from a retailer that has a generous returns policy, just in case.  


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Ok so I pulled the trigger on a 2008 swarovski sts 65 non hd scope off ebay for 1475.00 in perfect condition. can anyone elaborate on this scope?
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EBay, be careful. If it's genuine I think you made a fine choice. What lens did you get??

Below is some info taken from a very good post that Lucznik shared awhile back.

http://www.livingbird.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=272&srcid=265#top

http://www.livingbird.org/netcommunity/bbimages/lb/pdf/ScopeChart2008.pdf



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This unit was used just a few times. Checked on the status off seller and he has 99.9% rating so I feel he's legit and I'm going through paypal so there's extra protection. It has a 20-60 eypiece. It's a 65 sts non hd unit. If the scope is in perfect condition does that sound like a fair price? Now how about a suggestion for a lightwieght tripod for hunting. Also how come the stay on jacket cover for these scopes is so expensive? Thanks

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The price sounds great.

The 20-60x is what I have on the 80mm HD model. I find 20x is all you need until your counting bones (points) from very far away.

What's your budget for a tripod?

The optional jacket is a four piece (two are to cover both ends of the scope when not in use) cover made out of cordura type material with zippers and covers the scope perfectly like a glove. Why's it so expensive, I guess because of the name?

By the way, just wanted to add that the Kowa TS-880 series maybe be rated the best by some but the Swaro STS80 HD is pretty darn close. Being a hunter and not a bird watcher I'm happy I went with the lighter and quicker focusing Swaro.



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Budget for tripod 100.00-300.00. I can see that the cover is a must for this scope. Also how much of a difference between hd and standard?
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Originally posted by johnnysflooring johnnysflooring wrote:

Budget for tripod 100.00-300.00. I can see that the cover is a must for this scope. Also how much of a difference between hd and standard?
 
At $350 you should be able to find a Bogen/Manfrotto 700RC2/190MFV Tripod Kit. The weight is only 5 pounds, made of carbon fiber, and it is a very stable tripod that will last a lifetime. There is no point in spending for a good spotting scope and saving on the tripod, because a scope is only as good as it's stable. Also, the mounting plate and the tripod head have safety features to prevent the scope from becoming loose and falling.
 
The difference between 65 mm HD and it's 65mm non-HD is small. Some people believe HD has to do with brightness and light transmission. In fact, it is about color fringing around objects and sharpness in difficult light situations - when the sun is at a low angle somewhere in front of you. For your hunting needs, you might get a sharper image of a deer rack at 800 yards away with the HD, but the non-HD will work just as well.   
 
Most scopes get damaged not while in use, but while in transit from car to home, from home to car, and while being handled. No neoprene cover will protect the scope if you drop it. Neoprene may protect from scratches, but the scope will still get banged if it drops from a height of 6 ft. I've seen a Leica survive a 30 ft drop (it was dented, but it worked fine), but that is an exception. One of the best protections you can get for that scope is the Snug Rug case. I've put an egg in one of those and thrown the case off my deck on the concrete bellow (12 ft). The egg did not break after 3 drops.  Also, make sure that  you do not drop the scope while you handle it or transport it.
   
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lucznik, how do you not include the Brunton Eterna 62 mmED spotter on your list, after the rave reviews it received by OL?  Just curious.  Are you including only those you've personally used/looked through? 
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

...how do you not include the Brunton Eterna 62 mmED spotter on your list, after the rave reviews it received by OL? 
I suppose this is for a number of reasons, including:
  1. I have never personally handled this scope nor do I personally know anyone who has. 
  2. I do not consider Outdoor Life to be a particularly valid authority on optics (or anything else for that matter) and I always consider the findings of their optics "tests" to be highly suspect. 
Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Are you including only those you've personally used/looked through? 
To a certain degree, yes.  I generally don't like recommending anything I haven't personally handled though, if I can fall back on a review from a trusted source (which must be an individual I trust, not a publication), I will sometimes make an exception. 
 
For example, all of the scopes on the list I presented I have personally handled and examined - if not out right owned, except for the two Minox scopes.  A trusted acquaintance of mine however, has and he tells me they are both truly great scopes.  I trust his opinion so; based on that, I am O.K. with recomending them to a prospective buyer as worthy options to examine for themselves before making any purchasing decisions.  You will note that I never suggest that anyone go and buy any product on the basis of anything I have written. I'll tell you what I think you might do well to look at but, you alone must decide where to actually spend your money.
 


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Good choice with the Swaro.  Nice spotter.

Personally, I use a Pentax PF-65 ED.  I played with a enough larger spotter to learn that for my needs a 65mm spotter is plenty sufficient.

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Koshkin,
 
how do you like the PF-65 ED?  Which eye piece do you use?  I have saw a couple of those that were "demo" units ie.. used at a gun show, and are on sale and wondered if they were worth the money.  I know that the 80mm pentax seems to get good reviews here, but I was curious about the 65.  What's the difference between the PF-65 and PF-65 II?
 
Thanks for your help
 
 
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Originally posted by Gymrat500 Gymrat500 wrote:

I... wondered if [the Pentax PF-65s] were worth the money. 
They most definitely are.
 
Originally posted by Gymrat500 Gymrat500 wrote:

What's the difference between the PF-65 and PF-65 II?
Mostly only cosmetic differences.  Don't pay more to get a PF-65 II if you can find a PF-65 instead.
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