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Hensoldt is getting ready to start importing their new line of scopes into the US. They are about the same price range or slighty cheaper than similar s&b and usually come out ahead in the euro scope tests. Anyway, I have one on the way (3-12x56 with 144 inches of adjustments !). Just thought I would post incase someone here is interested in these. Don't know the specifics of who will offer these but may be available directly from rep.

 

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Polarcow

 

I would be interested in your purchase and review, please keep us updated on the details.

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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

Polarcow

 

I would be interested in your purchase and review, please keep us updated on the details.

 

+1  I, too, would be interested...

 

I believe Hensoldt & Zeiss share technology as the tube design between the two are pretty much identical.  I have also heard that Hensoldt uses Zeiss glass.  Where they differ is some magnification variation.

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They are manufactured at the same factory by the same machines.

There is only minor differances like on the 6-24 that the zeiss have 0,5 clicks while the Hensoldt have 1 cm.

The intention is that the Hensoldt line not should be for civilian sales but for military/police sales.

 

 

Regards Technika

 

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Technika raises a good point. The Hensoldt uses 1cm clicks at 100 meters. Using the math this comes out to exactly .36 inches per click at 100 yards and 3.6 inches per click at 1000 yrds. This may be too large an adjustment for some although it is only 1.1 inches more per click @1000 yrds than .25MOA clicks but 1.4 inches less than .5MOA. One good thing is that it takes a few less clicks to reach any given range than using the typical .25MOA. I liked this scope for several reasons and one of them was deffinately the possibility of using a flat base on my .308 having a 100 yard zero and still being able to reach to 1000 or even longer because of the 34mm tube.

 

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I forgot to ask, does anyone know of a website that does free translations? I think this is swedish and I can't find any that can do that.

 

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http://www.zeiss.se/4125680F002BA25A/EmbedTitelIntern/Jaktma rkerFiskevatten/$File/JaktmarkerFiskevatten.pdf#search='En%2 0dr%C3%B6m%20i%20sikte...'

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Technika have you had a chance to use one of the new hensoldt? If so how does it compare

to the S&B?Thanks for the update polarcow keep us posted ounce you field test your scope.

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Fun fact for the mildot literate.

1cm adjustments are also 0.1 mil adjustments.
Use your mildot scope to much greater advantage with  adjustments that correlate directly to the reticle view. 

Aren't ya glad you asked 
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Hi

 

I have two ZF6-24x72 so I have used them a lot.

Best optics I have seen so far.

I do own a cuople of Sub as well and they are great but the optics in the Zeiss/Hensoldt feels like one step forward.

 

I have also used the new 4-16x56 and the 4-16x56 FF a little bit and I regard them very high as well.

The only thing I really dislike with all Zeiss/Hensoldt military scopes is the turrets, but the SuB turret aint any better so I can just hope the manufacturers will change them in the future.

 

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Thank you technika for the comparison, I will look for the new Hensoldt scopes

and try to handle one in the near future. Keep us posted on your field tests.

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Update:

 

I just thought I would let everyone who is interested know in the progress of the scope so far. I received the scope some time back and it was amazing. It appeared to have a longer eye relief than advertised (almost on par with leupold at ~3.7-3.75 or so). However, soon afterwards I noticed what appeared to be a few specks of dust/grease or something when looking through the objective the reverse way. At the time I noticed this I did not think it would make a noticeable difference and wasn't sure if I would bother to send it back but I mentioned it to someone I know in the hensoldt factory. I had emailed him about a video featuring the 6-24x72 and happened to mention the dust also. That same day I received an email with a shipping label to send the scope back free of charge. I will be getting the scope back next week and will let you know more about it then. By the way, for my trouble (no trouble really, these things happen sometimes and I am more than happy with the factory's response) they are throwing in a free ARD. The only bad thing is that when the scope has to leave Germany hensoldt/zeiss must apply to the gov. to get an export license. These take about two weeks! Now I still have to get rings for it.

 

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Thanks for the SITREP, Polarcow!

Sounds like Hensoldt's taking care of you.

 

I had the same dust particle issue with a USO SN-3 I bought.

Sent it back to Mr. Williams and got it back in perfect condition. 

 

Before sending it back, he told me to "smack it real hard."  

This was over the phone, mind you.

He asked if there was something hard to smack the scope on knock the dust particle loose. 

I said "Yeah, theres my reloading bench here in front of me." He says, "Great start smacking it against the edge of the table on the AO."

"Harder....Harder....Harder" he yelled!

 

It was stuck pretty good. So I just sent it off to USO and got it back around two weeks later. 

That was a hell of a tough scope I'll tell you.

 

Good shooting!

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Got the scope back monday. I am still in the hunt for some rings but I can give you my first impressions as compared to the leupold and zeiss I own.

 

The hensoldt does not have quite the contrast that the leupold does but it is very close and slightly better than the zeiss. It is of course brighter than the leupold and very slightly brighter (I think) than the zeiss. However I am currently living in an apartment in the city so it is nevery truely dark. I will be moving in a few weeks and will get to see how it compares at dusk and at night. There is also no "tube" vision with the zeiss as with the leupold and the hensoldt surpases both in this respect. In fact, it is almost like watching television instead of looking through a scope! The eye relief is less than the leupold but on par with the zeiss if not slightly longer.

 

Also, the reticle posts cover no part of the target with the hensoldt because of it's "hollow" design as I have termed it. I also think the hollow mil-dots aids in shooting precision and ranging precision. Here are a few more pics from a cloudy day for comparison.

 

http://flickr.com/photos/34099144@N00/sets/72157594388619467 /

 

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Great info Polarcow, keep us posted.
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Thanks for the info Polarcow, I would be interested in seeing further info on your scope (have not played with a Hendsoldt since they had the little ~4x number made with a HK claw mount many moons ago).  I agree with Mike's point and further must say there are some of us who also advocate for metric because it is a happy medium between 1/4 and 1/2 MOA.  If you are range-eing off the mildot using the "25.4" formula, you're going back and forth between metric and non-metric measurements as you adjust your elevation, so I find metric scopes to be a very appealing concept and look forward to hearing how things work out.
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Sandsock (and Mike too),

 

To expand on the metric issue...The math of course cannot be simpler than base 10 with no fractions. I think that the only reason it did not catch on in the US is that people were raised with the english system for so long and refused to see how much better it works than english once you get used to it. I have a degree in chemistry so am used to it more than some but not on the scale of hundreds of meters. I will be trying to use meters instead of yards in my shooting from now on. I was also wondering if there is anyone here or anyone in europe who will enlighten me as to how group sizes are measured using metric system. I would assume just saying .3 mils for an moa equivalent.

 

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I grew up with a metric system and it is certainly far easier to comrehend than the imperial system, or is at least a bit more logical.  As for group sizes, I see them more often than not expressed in centimeters at a 100 meters.  If you want to describe a group in terms of an angular dispersion, you can comfortably use mils or MOA.  Whatever works best for you.  I would probably suggest minimizing the number of measurement units you use and sticking with mils and centimeters.

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I think you guys hit it on the head, I can still remember the hue and cry back in the mid-70s when some speed limit signs came out in dual mph/kph (to include people talking about the end of days and one-world govts).  I firmly believing using metric is pretty darn smart (which is why the military has sort-of gone over to it) and it has nothing to do with any sort of apocalypse.
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