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Just got it, first impressions:


Sweet Lord, I'm gonna go broke putting these on all my tac guns!

The glass is fantastic!  Edge-to-edge it is clear as crystal.  TO say it is easy to get behind is an understatement of biblical proportions.  Eye position is very, very forgiving!

The turrets are tactile and audible and spaced perfectly.  I might have a new favorite elevation turet, dispalcing the USO EREK. Maybe.  Time will tell.

It is sqautty and kinda ugly, not very long, pretty thich (34mm) and has a large bell (56mm objective.)

It will be on a rifle and on the range this weekend.  All in all, it is something to behold.

I am not crazy about the illumination on/off mechanism, at least it has an auto-off feature after 3 hours.


I'll run it side-by-side with a Premier 3-15 and we'll see what we see.

Initial impressions are very, very positive!


Once mounted, pics coming.
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Hensoldt STILL hasn't conquered the illuminated reticle thing??  Oh well, if you never use it, you'll still LOVE it. 
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Well I will wait for your listing of your other scopes...Ha....
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That is a spectacular scope, RC.  I hope you enjoy it.

I have some ideas on what you will find when you compare it side by side with the Premier, but I will keep my mouth shut until you actually look at them.

Make sure you compare them in low light and from uncomfortable shooting positions.

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For uncomfortable positions, the answer is already evident: the Hensoldt is unbelievably easy to get behind. It's almost difficult to NOT get a good site picture.

And given the low light capabilities of my Victory Diavari 3-12, my guess is this one will be about the same: almost as good as night vision.
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Make sure to post pics. There are those of us that must live vicariously through others.
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Pictures coming, I had a brain-fart on rings, but SWFA is helping ease my stupidity.


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Here are some comparative specs for the uber-scopes:


Hensoldt 
3-12x56FFP
Hensoldt 
4-16x56FFP
Premier 3-15x50S&B PMII 
3-12x50
S&B PMII
4-16x50
Length, in12.813.213.613.515.5
Weight, oz28.331.8383033.2
Main Tube Diameter34mm34mm34mm34mm34mm
Eye Relief, in3.8 - 4.03.8 - 4.03.543.753.35
FOV, ft@100yards35.1 - 10.226.1 -7.537.2 - 7.833.3 - 12.622.86 - 7
Click Value0.1 mrad0.1 mrad0.1 mrad0.1mrad0.1mrad
Adjustment rangeV: 30 mrad
H: 10 mrad
V: 22.4 mrad
H: 10 mrad
34 mradV: 22 mrad
H: 12 mrad
V: 13 mrad
H: 12 mrad


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Thanx.

And damn, I didn't realize the Premier was that much heavier.


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To the range tomorrow, to run next to the Premier.

Range report to follow.
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It will be interesting to see your comparison between the Hensoldt and the Premier. It's harder to compare the two on features alone since the Premier is kind of the odd man out in the magnification range among the five scopes Koshkin listed. Although I suppose the Hensoldts having a 56mm objective vs. the S&B 50mm objective contributes some difference between those two sets of 3-12s and 4-16s. If money were no object, the Hensoldts seem to win out in every measure. However, I can assure you that regardless of the results whatever I learn will not result in me buying another scope. I'll just have to limp along with the Premier.
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Thanks for the pics RC! While never have done much studying on that scope, the feature that really stands-out for me is the 12mil per turn elevation! One turn gets most .308's to 1000yds. That's way cool!
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

It will be interesting to see your comparison between the Hensoldt and the Premier. It's harder to compare the two on features alone since the Premier is kind of the odd man out in the magnification range among the five scopes Koshkin listed. Although I suppose the Hensoldts having a 56mm objective vs. the S&B 50mm objective contributes some difference between those two sets of 3-12s and 4-16s. If money were no object, the Hensoldts seem to win out in every measure. However, I can assure you that regardless of the results whatever I learn will not result in me buying another scope. I'll just have to limp along with the Premier.



In no way is Premier a slouch, don't get me wrong.  As said previously, the rifle that wears my Premier will continue to wear my Premier.

I really like the Hensoldt, but the Premier has done everything I've asked of it.

Off to the range this afternoon, will post finding and thoughts.
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On the range, the Hensoldt definitely holds its own.

The glass was very, very clear and sharp, "easy to acquire site picture" is a terrible understatement, this is the easiest scope I have ever used in terms of getting a good site picture.

In bright conditions, I did have to adjust to the "clear" reticle, meaning the posts and dots are not black but are almost transparent with a black outline.  Not like the Premier, where you see the lines, regardless of lighting conditions.

Turrets worked as expected.  If Zeiss is to continue running their turrets backwards from the rest of the world, an indicator facing the shooter would be nice.  The numbers should tell the tale, but I am slow, admittedly.

I like the clicks and spacing.  With some turning, I don't like the turrets as much as USO's EREK, but better than most.

The most impressive part of the scope is the glass.  Turrets are fine, reticle is fine, illumination is OK, but the glass is where you notice its true greatness.

I do not see this scope failing due to heavy use - it ain't as bullet-proof as Premier, but is close (and at almost 10 ounces less, I can't expect too much of it.)


Does it best Premier: Kinda!

The glass definitely does.  I like black reticles, and this one is good but too much daylight coming through it.  It isn't that it is thin, it is that the reticle is pure outline, which will grow on me, I hope.


All in all, I'd say if you want the hands-down best glass in the industry, get the Hensoldt.  (I've heard good things of March but have yet to experience it, so for now it is Hensoldt for me.)

Sorry, it was raining, targets were a mess when finsished, no target pics.  Next time.













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Rancid, just razzin' on ya a little bit. I'd love to have a Hensoldt, but just meant, that no matter what, it won't be something I can justify owning. Gotta spring for reloading components too since all I care about now is shooting as often and as much as possible.

Sounds like it met your expectations and more, other than the reticle. I guess it's a lot like the NF mil-dot reticle, which I've never had problems with. But I prefer the Premier Gen II. Having the turret run clockwise would be a minor drawback to me since all my other scopes have always run the other way. (BTW, I found it confusing when ordering the Premier that I had to contact them and SWFA about the "CCW" designation because - to me - turning the knob to the right like screwing in a lightbulb to raise elevation is clockwise. They can call it what they want, just so it matches what I'm used to).

What is most impressive about this scope is the ease of acquiring a sight picture and the scope just disappearing from around the glass. It should serve you well. As you mentioned, the glass is spectacular, yet it sounds like Zeiss was even more concerned with the usability. (Seems there's a certain point anyway...we'll call it Nightforce level...where glass is good enough. Beyond that, it's all about how the scope is engineered to support the shooter).


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I agree.  I've said many times that glass is not - by far - the most important part of a tactical scope.  That said, so long as the more important aspects function as they should, it sure is nice to get fantastic glass.

Nightforce is definitely usable and I remain a big Nightforce fan.  I would contend that Leupold glass is acceptable (not quite as good as Nightforce) but wouldn't buy one due to durability issues, at least in my hands.

I do like the Hensoldt, it is a keeper.

I was showing it to a friend last night (very dark) and looked through the scope in darkness without illumination turned on, the reticle is all but invisible in very low light.  I'll be sure to carry an extra battery at all time.


It does everything a good tactical scope should - and has unbelievable glass and is easy to get behind; I highly recommend it.
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+12...Now everything else is oranges...
 
Sorry about your luck...
 
Can you talk more about your ideas on faster sight picture for target aquisition and how forgiving it is on the fly so to speak...
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Anyone who has done much shooting behind scopes has had difficulty getting a good sight picture, you either have to move toward or away from the scope - and if you move more than a few millimeters in any direction, that sight picture shifts.

When I say, "Easy to get behind", I mean it is very easy to settle behind the scope and quickly get a good sight picture (no halo around the image, no dark circle floating around the iamge, just clear, edge-to-edge image.

I've shot the best scopes made and the Hensoldt beats them all for rapid target acquisition and clear, clean edge-to-edge image.  As I said above, it is almost hard to NOT get a good sight picture - which, for 10X+ is unique in rifle scopes.



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It's a shame that not all scope manufacturers can get that done. Sight picture is a problem with so many.
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Has the thrill worn off yet...?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Didn't think so.
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None!
 
 
I will own more Hensoldt scopes!
 
 
I need a new (cheaper) hobby.  Maybe I'll start collecting vintage Porsches, that'd be a little cheaper.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

None!
 
 
I will own more Hensoldt scopes!
 
 
I need a new (cheaper) hobby.  Maybe I'll start collecting vintage Porsches, that'd be a little cheaper.



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