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I am thinking about trading my blued/composite Tikka T3 308 with a Minox ZA5 2-10x40 for an A-bolt .medallion 25-06 with a 3-9x50 Bushnell Legend HD. Both guns are in great shape. Should I ask for some cash with it? I really would like to get a 25-06 but want to make sure its a fair deal.

I would appreciate your opinions
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Is this a person to person trade or through a FFL / gunshop? Usually, you will make out better by selling the rifle and scope separately. I'd rather have the Minox scope than the Bushy if it were my choice. Can you swap guns only and keep the Minox? Many ways to go here. Good luck. BTW, the .25-06 is a dandy choice.
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There are several fair ways to set value.  If you like your scope trade rifles each keeps their own scope that makes the trade more simple.   You can base rifle value off of new cost and if there is a significant difference then someone gets the difference or a portion there of or you just call it a wash to be able to step into a caliber you like.  A lot depends on the motivation of the buyer and seller if its individuals and two guys want to trade guns even up that are close to the same value just because each would rather have the caliber the other guy has so they can play with it a while the answer is --- so what it doesnt really matter one rifle originally cost fifty bucks more they both do the same thing essentially.  Myself I would prefer the tikka but I like .308 and I had a 25-06 for a while and it didnt like heavy bullets due to the twist so there are reasons to make such a trade but all in all if both guys like the trade go for it. I would say each keep their scope is a more fair way to figure value but if you dont like either scope and want something higher end then use the samplelist trade in form and trade the scope you wind up with for something nicer - I really prefer a scope in the 4-16 or 5-20 power range. 
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Keep the Tikka, I'm not a browning fan.....
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Tikka is good and a good value, however Browning is better.  I would keep the Minox and trade for the Browning.  The Medallion is a "signature" rifle for Browning.  If it has BOSS, even better.  BOSS should be on all rifles...
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I would keep the Tikka (unless you don't like the caliber) and get another Tikka.

I am also not a huge Browning fan, but do really like Tikka rifles.

25-06 is a great caliber. I had an old 03-A3 in 25-06 many years ago and really regret selling that gun.
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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Keep the Tikka, I'm not a browning fan.....


Just saying,
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I ended up passing on it, I will save my pennies and buy a new one. I am too attached to my Tikka. Thanks to all the responders
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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Keep the Tikka, I'm not a browning fan.....


Just saying,
 
Some people like Tikka's... some of us like REAL rifles...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Keep the Tikka, I'm not a browning fan.....


Just saying,
 
Some people like Tikka's... some of us like REAL rifles...


Ouch. Guess that makes you and Chuck Hawks buds huh???!!!
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Keep the Tikka, I'm not a browning fan.....


Just saying,
 
Some people like Tikka's... some of us like REAL rifles...


Friends don't let friends shoot Browning's!!!

The only browning I would own would be a lever action (BLR). They are nice and well built.

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Tikka T3's.....like 'em or not........are lights out shooters, tough, and reliable.  Years of experience with them prove it. 
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Ive had several friends addicted to Brownings.  The Belgium made guns fit and finish was superb and the wood was a work of art.  I recently saw a very nice BLR in 300 WSM which I definately would have liked to own but price was strong.  The over under shotguns have always appealed to me but they are out of my price range for a hunting shotgun. If I ever had good access to a skeet range Im sure I would want one.  Pretty sure the new bolt guns are HOWA  Japanese made rifles.  My preference tends to be Rem because all the gunsmiths know how to work on them and fix them, and Tikka and Savage which tend to arrive in working condition.
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Nobody ever mentions CZ, I have an old CZ Brno 600 in .270 and it shoots great and is built like a tank. Back in the early 80's we represented Action Arms an importer in Philadelphia who at the time was the importer of CZ and also I.M.I. Long live the Uzi. I still have a Timberwolf also.

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Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Keep the Tikka, I'm not a browning fan.....


Just saying,
 
Some people like Tikka's... some of us like REAL rifles...


Ouch. Guess that makes you and Chuck Hawks buds huh???!!!
Don't know Chuck Hawks, have read a couple of his articles.  I find him heavily biased in odd directions quite often.  I have no idea what he thinks of Browning or Tikka.  The Tikka rifles I've fired have been OK, I just don't like the feel of them.  Have never picked up a Browning I didn't like.  Someone who likes Tikka better than Browning I think has flawed obervation... but it's OK if they think the same of me.  Rifles are like cars, women and space ships... not everyone likes the same construction...
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Don't start me on Chuck Hawks.  Every once in a while someone points to an article on his website pertaining to optics, so I go take a look.  Most of those are a showcase of what happens when you convolve ignorance with incompetence.

As far as the rifles go, I own a Tikka.  Do not own any Brownings.  I have not yet seen a Browning with a stock that fit me even remotely well.  Tikkas and CZs I can usually get along with pretty well.

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Ole' Chuck bashed on Tikka's pretty hard. In fact, the Tikka folks got a might bit upset with him. He did not claim that many Tikka's weren't shooters, but instead criticized the cheapness and manufacturing shortcuts employed (while still charging relatively high prices for a less than stellar product). 
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Pretty sure the new bolt guns are HOWA  Japanese made rifles.


All Browning guns made in Japan are built by Miroku, including the A-Bolt and X-Bolt.

Howa manufactures the Weatherby Vanguard.

As for Tikka vs. Browning... I wouldn't personally buy either; but that's another discussion for another day, and we all know what they say about opinions.

I do like Browning rimfires, pistols, several of their shotguns, and their old Sako and FN Mauser action rifles very well, but I don't particularly care for the current A-Bolt and X-Bolt. Tikkas shoot well and have good triggers; I just hate their stocks and receivers.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Don't start me on Chuck Hawks.  Every once in a while someone points to an article on his website pertaining to optics, so I go take a look.  Most of those are a showcase of what happens when you convolve ignorance with incompetence.

ILya


Love it!

 I am getting to the point that I feel that most magazines concerning firearms are misplaced in the sports section when they really should be in the comic book section.
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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Don't start me on Chuck Hawks.  Every once in a while someone points to an article on his website pertaining to optics, so I go take a look.  Most of those are a showcase of what happens when you convolve ignorance with incompetence.

ILya


Love it!

 I am getting to the point that I feel that most magazines concerning firearms are misplaced in the sports section when they really should be in the comic book section.
 
Took the words right outta my mouth.
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Chuck Hawk is a blathering stupidazzzz, to put it mildly.  
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I agree with Bigdaddy on the Browning BLR.  We've had two BLRs in the family.  Still have one.  Both were/are really fine hunting rifles.  They both shot 1 1/2 inches or less (3-shot groups) with factory ammo even without having the trigger tuned.
 
Browning shotguns are another matter.  I bought a new Belgian-made Lightning over-under 20 gauge (back in 19-never mind!), thinking it would be the shotgun love of my life.  It was a beautiful shotgun, and handled like a dream.
 
HOWEVER...The inertia trigger stopped working on the second shot on cold mornings.  (A single-shot double is a disaster on a quail hunt!)  I tried having it fixed by Browning.  Terrible service...no luck...repeated failures on the second shot.
 
THEN...The word leaked out that Browning had used salt cured wood on an extended run of their shotguns.  Of all the dumb irresponsible things for any gun manufacturer to do!
 
Bottom line...I sold it, and am off Browning shotguns forever.
 
Beretta has a good record if you want an over-under shotgun.  Ruger's 20-gauges are great, but you may have to have the trigger fixed after a while.  (This is common for many if not most over-unders.)   
 
My own preferences on doubles?  First, I prefer mechanical triggers.  What good is a second shot in an inertia-trigger gun if the first shot doesn't go off, or the trigger doesn't reset?  I prefer two triggers on a side-by-side shotgun.  They are easy to use (despite many comments to the contrary), are reliable, and give a much quicker choke selection than any button or switch.
 
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Originally posted by Longhunter Longhunter wrote:


THEN...The word leaked out that Browning had used salt cured wood on an extended run of their shotguns.  Of all the dumb irresponsible things for any gun manufacturer to do!
 


Just to clarify, in the interest of accuracy...

Browning did indeed have a huge problem with guns rusting at one time, and the culprit was indeed from using salt-cured wood. HOWEVER, that problem was only present in guns made from the late 1960's to the early 1970's. I don't know the exact dates, but suffice to say, if you have a Browning made prior to about 1965 or made later than about 1972, you won't have a dreaded "salt wood" gun. The issue was not limited to shotguns, but also the T-bolt .22, the bolt action rifles, and maybe a few others. At any case, it is easy to see if any particular gun has the salt wood by either removing the action from the stock or removing a screw from the buttpad. If there's no rust where metal contacts the stock, it's not a "salt wood" gun. It doesn't take but a couple days for steel to begin pitting when in contact with any salt combined with moisture-laden air.

It's important to note that the problem was NOT really due to an irresponsible decision on the part of Browning, and if you understand what happened at the time, it's easy to see it was an honest mistake. Understand that Browning, like most gun manufacturers, did not and does not cure (dry) their own wood; they buy pre-cured wood from suppliers. In this case, Browning was having problems meeting order demand due to the fact they couldn't get enough wood from their current supply chain. The culprit was the time it took to dry out blanks by the traditional kiln-drying method. Other suppliers air dry their blanks, but this takes even longer. Browning began searching for other suppliers for wood blanks to ship to Belgium. During this time in the mid to late 1960's, they found a wood supplier in California who could meet their volume demand. It turns out this supplier was able to speed up the drying process by packing the wood in salt. Browning was either not aware of this fact or was not aware that the salt, once it worked its way into the pores of the wood, could never be completely removed or sealed up with finish. They discovered the problem only when customers started sending their guns back in large quantities for rust pitting in the areas where metal contacted wood. They replaced all guns that were sent to them with the problem, to the point it nearly bankrupted them. Some guns were obviously never taken out of circulation because their owners never removed the stocks and therefore never noticed the problem. The possibility still remains that you could find one of the "salt wood" guns for sale today, but the chances are very rare, since the majority of buyers and sellers of Brownings from that era are very aware of the problem and will check for it.

On the inertia trigger system on O/U shotguns... yours either had some kind of manufacturing flaw, or some kind of crud managed to get into and gum up the works, as they are extremely reliable systems because they are so simple. There are a lot of guns using the same general design as on the Brownings. Browning makes both intertia driven and mechanical fire control systems in their shotguns, depending on model. Consider than John Browning invented the single select trigger O/U shotgun with the Superposed. Actually, he died during its design phase, so his son Val Browning saw it through to production. Every O/U shotgun since then, including Browning's own Citori series is a variation or modification of the Superposed. Browning also invented the short recoil inertia operating system, used on the Auto 5 and later many other shotguns. So, Browning has long been the innovator in shotgun designs, and has been copied by more other manufacturers than anyone else. Their shotguns are not at all lacking in quality or innovations, but everyone prefers different things. Also keep in mind that Browning does not actually build anything; it's just a brand name and a design firm. It does and has contracted out every gun bearing the Browning name to manufacturing firms in Belgium (FN Herstal), or Portugal or Japan (Miroku). These firms have been building guns for many years.

This is not meant to imply all Brownings are flawless guns. As I stated, I personally don't like their modern bolt actions all that much. I also don't particularly care for their insistence on mirror shiny wood finishes and gold-colored triggers, and some of their stock designs on various guns were not my cup of tea. However, their inertia operated and O/U shotguns and rimfires are based on designs that are proven over many decades and have become literal classics. Browning is owned by FN, and their QC standards are right up there with the best manufacturers, and has a much better track record than, say, Remington in my experience.

I'm not at all demeaning your experience; just saying that your experience with Browning O/Us is not typical. For all the duds Browning has released (mostly in the late 1970's and 1980's), their O/U shotguns are perhaps their biggest strength.
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Ted thanks for taking the time to explain this and set the record straight. 
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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:


Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Keep the Tikka, I'm not a browning fan.....



Just saying,


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