New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Help / Tips MOA or MRAD bases and the best scopes.
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Check GunBroker.com for SWFA's No Reserve and No Minimum bid firearm auctions.

Help / Tips MOA or MRAD bases and the best scopes.

 Post Reply Post Reply   Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options Page  1 2 3>
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/14/2011 at 20:24
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455
I am wondering what you guys use for the Shots with lots of drop.



I usually go Farrell for near everything (no pun intended).  They have been quality and un-matched almost the combos are great.

I just took the suggestion on my Savage 10 and went EGW and not to be mean or talk down was unimpressed, I got the non HD or non-steel and am kicking myself I did not know their was a choice and was told 20moa and just ordered as such, Brady and Chris and Christopher were all in meetings and I was not informed of the quality I was missing or not getting in the standard base.  Anywho it is for a project Gun, a savage 10 old flat receiver non accutrigger, john plaster stock, tactical bolt...Since it is now a H.S. / Medalist II Bell Carlson Style Stock a cleaner fully adjustable crisper trigger, and threaded barrel for subsonics that comes in at 16.5" with a contoured barrel.

I like to shoot subs at very far ranges exceeding 500" of drop the most common shot is at 500 yards with 500-600 inches of drop depending on weight of bullet and velocity of reloads.

This has been a challenge in the past as I have usually had scopes with upwards of 100MOA and then bases that were 20-40MOA bases (on different rigs obviously) but I am limited to price and stock items so to speak I have found the Badgers and the EGW's for bases. 

For scopes I have gone from S&B's and Hensoldt & Zeiss, and other Kahles and Swarvoski scopes to SIGHTRON as they seem to have the most internal adjustment to allow for the non-holdover shots.

I am needing the following:  50+ MRAD if possible in a $1000 or less package.

for others trying to find out why so much drop and why the need for so much elevation.

3 SIMPLE PRACTICAL CALCULATIONS OF MY THREE HARDEST SHOTS AND WHY


















60GR .22LR BULLET AT 300 YARDS


150GR .308 BULLET AT 500 YARDS

.245GR .338 BULLET AT 1500 YARDS














500 INCHES OF DROP WITH EACH CALIBER TO KEEP IT SIMPLE









No one
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 00:31
billyburl2 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2009
Location: Cottonwood, AZ
Status: Offline
Points: 3874
How much elevation does the scope have? I can find anything approaching that much adjustment?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 09:57
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455
Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

How much elevation does the scope have? I can find anything approaching that much adjustment?


100 MOA to the scope I am thinking about.

http://www.sightron.com/index.php?action=view_document&did=1201816362&cat_id=6&id=167

http://swfa.com/Sightron-6-24x50-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P48418.aspx

The most I have found in the Sightron line-up is 120MOA up to 14x and 150MOA up to 10x (the problem is I want more than 10x magnification so I can see my hole/impact at 500 yards... I do not need to resolve each hole but need to know the "hole is getting bigger" even 14x is less than I want).

The rest must be in the base unless someone can find me a scope for under $850 that has above 14x usable magnification that has more than 120MOA.

This is the table so to speak of what I am looking for:

MOA MRAD
150 43.633231
120 34.906585
100 29.088821
90 26.179939
80 23.271057

I again need more than a 20 MOA BASE OR 30 MOA BASE IF THE SCOPE ONLY HAS 120 MOA.

MOA MRAD
30 8.7266463
20 5.8177642
10 2.9088821


For you MRAD thinkers I need to get to 47MRAD and the common 5.8177642MRAD (6mrad) or (20MOA) base and 34.906585MRAD (35MRAD) or (120MOA) falls short at 40.72MRAD.

So I am trying to either find a scope with 120MOA with higher than 14x of mag and a 30 MOA base
or looking for a scope with more adjustment.

The problem is as you point out I cannot find a scope with the desired elevation and I cannot find anything approaching that adjustment as well previously I would just call a machine shop tell them the "rail bolt dimensions and pattern" and $400 later I had a base for the particular Optics and achievement.

Now money is an issue which is why I am limited to the $1k(which is still more than I SHOULD be spending) and I still want to shoot (because it relaxes me) without a drastic holdover (so I can still shoot accurately and precisely).






Edited by 338LAPUASLAP - April/15/2011 at 09:58
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 09:57
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455
Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

How much elevation does the scope have? I can find anything approaching that much adjustment?


100 MOA to the scope I am thinking about.

http://www.sightron.com/index.php?action=view_document&did=1201816362&cat_id=6&id=167

http://swfa.com/Sightron-6-24x50-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P48418.aspx

The most I have found in the Sightron line-up is 120MOA up to 14x and 150MOA up to 10x (the problem is I want more than 10x magnification so I can see my hole/impact at 500 yards... I do not need to resolve each hole but need to know the "hole is getting bigger" even 14x is less than I want.

The rest must be in the base unless someone can find me a scope for under $850 that has above 14x usable magnification that has more than 120MOA.

This is the table so to speak of what I am looking for:

MOA MRAD
150 43.633231
120 34.906585
100 29.088821
90 26.179939
80 23.271057

I again need more than a 20 MOA BASE OR 30 MOA BASE IF THE SCOPE ONLY HAS 120 MOA.

MOA MRAD
30 8.7266463
20 5.8177642
10 2.9088821


For you MRAD thinkers I need to get to 47MRAD and the common 5.8177642MRAD (6mrad) or (20MOA) base and 34.906585MRAD (35MRAD) or (120MOA) falls short at 40.72MRAD.

So I am trying to either find a scope with 120MOA with higher than 14x of mag and a 30 MOA base
or looking for a scope with more adjustment.

The problem is as you point out I cannot find a scope with the desired elevation and I cannot find anything approaching that adjustment as well previously I would just call a machine shop tell them the "rail bolt dimensions and pattern" and $400 later I had a base for the particular Optics and achievement.

Now money is an issue which is why I am limited to the $1k(which is still more than I SHOULD be spending) and I still want to shoot (because it relaxes me) without a drastic holdover (so I can still shoot accurately and precisely).




Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:09
billyburl2 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2009
Location: Cottonwood, AZ
Status: Offline
Points: 3874
In the price range, Sightron is definitely the M.O.A. champ. Have you looked into Burris Zee rings? The only other options I can think of is a machine rest(probably very expensive), or faster bulletsBucky 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:14
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28758
You could get a ken ferrall base for the savage for a little over a buck 25 shipped
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:25
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455



I know Mr. Farrell and he does provide most of my bases and rings as pictured above as well but the 30+ bases are lots more $$$ as they are special runs for him...(This combo base + rings was $450+)  I cannot afford that right now and probably never again.


Edited by 338LAPUASLAP - April/15/2011 at 10:29
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:28
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28758
according to his websitw, its not
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:29
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28758
Savage Long in Steel Black Matte - 30 MOA SAV-L-1-30 No $116.94  
 Savage Long in Steel Black Matte - 40 MOA SAV-L-1-40 Yes $116.94  


Edited by SVT_Tactical - April/15/2011 at 10:30
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:30
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455
Please help me to understand what you are referencing.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:31
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28758
PM inbound
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:35
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455
Savage 10 flat receiver.  Short action.

SA old style or Flat back receiver...

I knew we were missing each other somewhere.

the others are the CZ 550 bases I use...
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:39
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28758
sorry I'm a little Loco
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 10:44
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455
So help me find a solution that will work and I WILL forgive you.

I forgive you now but please help me find a base or help me to find another way to do this.

Again Budget Price is $1000 or less.  With quality glass and quality base with repeatable adjustments.

Need 46-47 MRAD or 160MOA.

Help me Obie Wan (optics talk members)...You're my only hope...


Edited by 338LAPUASLAP - April/15/2011 at 10:44
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 11:06
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28758
I'm workign on it.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 11:11
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28758

Whacko



Edited by SVT_Tactical - April/15/2011 at 11:27
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 11:25
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28758
SWFA SS 16x42 Tactical Riflescope
Mil-Dot SWFA SS 16x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS16X42
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 1/4 MOA
$299.95 
Add SWFA SS 16x42 Tactical Riflescope to Cart
More Details »

OptionalAccessories :



 
 
 
Plus a 20MOA base ~$150 (on the high side)
Plus some barrett rings

66858-A-KIT

30 mm ExRings 20/30 MOA (1.6", Dual MOA Setting)

$230.00

Your a $680
 
SS has 120+MOA
base has 20MOA
Rings have 20/30MOA
 
Thats 160-170MOA of total travel.  That work? 
 
If you went with the Sightron SIII 16x youd get 150MOA in the scope alone and add the rings and base and you have 190-200MOA of travel total
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 11:25
SVT_Tactical View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
Chief Sackscratch

Joined: December/17/2009
Location: NorthCackalacky
Status: Offline
Points: 28758
I'd get the SS and make sure this is something your gonna enjoy doing before investing so much in a scope that may not work.  That or use that 10XHD with the barret rings and see if it gets you to where you need.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 11:32
billyburl2 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2009
Location: Cottonwood, AZ
Status: Offline
Points: 3874
I just checked my 10x S.S., and it actually has 137.25 M.O.A. So really you could find some of the Sightrons with more than listed also.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/15/2011 at 11:43
billyburl2 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2009
Location: Cottonwood, AZ
Status: Offline
Points: 3874
How about running the base "backwards" so it raises the cross hairs at range?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/16/2011 at 10:21
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455
I do run the SS 10x, SS 16x, and SS10xHD.

I am not bashing them when I say this.

I believe the Sightron Glass to be better (thank you ILya Koshkin), while they do not have quite the adjustment range they are the closest second for the money.  They seem to hold up well and return and are true adjustments.

You will never be able to be the Dollars Spent for the quality you get with the adjustment range of the SWFA SS any variety. 

As is over preached but still under rated and has not reached enough of the public yet, possibly a write up in one of the TOP GUN MAGAZINES, hint, hint, hint... could make them more widely recognized.

I am still looking for other ideas, I am looking into the PinLock system of the Barretts and just might get a few sets to tinker with, the adjustable MOA or rather fixed choice of 15 MOA or 40 MOA or 20 MOA or 30 MOA is a very neat idea if it is executed properly...


Edited by 338LAPUASLAP - April/16/2011 at 10:23
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/16/2011 at 10:32
billyburl2 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2009
Location: Cottonwood, AZ
Status: Offline
Points: 3874
What I was saying is, what if you take the rail and scope you are running and mount the rail backwards. This is the only way I can see adding to the internal adjustment of the scope(non-adjustable). The Sightron has close to 130 MOA, right? Thus if you turn your 20 MOA rail around it will have 150 MOA. Getting it zero a close range might be a pain, but it might get you to your stated goal of 500 yards.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/16/2011 at 10:52
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455
Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

What I was saying is, what if you take the rail and scope you are running and mount the rail backwards. This is the only way I can see adding to the internal adjustment of the scope(non-adjustable). The Sightron has close to 130 MOA, right? Thus if you turn your 20 MOA rail around it will have 150 MOA. Getting it zero a close range might be a pain, but it might get you to your stated goal of 500 yards.


How would this work again???

These shots require your barrel to be aimed at the blue sky and the scope to be aimed at the ground.

How will reversing the base allow this?

think base is diagonal line and two horizontals are barrel while circle is target, the top is correct the bottom is what you are suggesting...



Edited by 338LAPUASLAP - April/16/2011 at 10:55
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/16/2011 at 11:05
billyburl2 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar

Joined: January/08/2009
Location: Cottonwood, AZ
Status: Offline
Points: 3874
Ok, correct me if I am wrong... A canted base works by artificially raising the rear of the scope, thus allowing you to adjust your zero higher on the erector. Since "up" is "down" on the target. If you turn the base around, raising the front of the scope, it will lower the target on the erector. 
  I am not saying it will allow you to dial in the adjustments, but rather a built-in hold-over. I don't know if it will work, just something that crossed my mind due to the fact of all the "I can't get my rifle to zero at 100yd" threads.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/16/2011 at 11:10
338LAPUASLAP View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar
Scope Swapper

Joined: October/17/2009
Location: STATESIDE
Status: Offline
Points: 2455

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  1 2 3>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Similar Threads: "Help / Tips MOA or MRAD bases and the best scopes."
Subject Author Forum Replies Last Post
List of FFP Mil-Dot Scopes MOA/MRAD Sub $1K Jettubby Rifle Scopes 4
Help with selecting 20 MOA base TD Rings and bases 21
Questions about 20 moa scope base. Bigdave Rifle Scopes 14
moa/moa ill scopes options mikes46 Tactical Scopes 2
FFP - Mil/Mil -MOA/MRAD Flanny Tactical Scopes 15
Oddball Redfield scope base Help ? bootjack Rings and bases 0
Moa or mrad reticle? Shooter31 Rifle Scopes 17
40 MOA base with SS 5-20 TeeRex Rings and bases 14
New Sightron mil/mil and moa/moa scopes Chris Farris Tactical Scopes 22
MOA Bases Reegan Rings and bases 5


This page was generated in 0.609 seconds.