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Hi I have three rifles I need to outfit with optics...all ARs.

I have a 16 inch AR equipped with an ACOG TA31RCO 4X32 I like that set up for mid range shooting and I am very happy with it.

The rifles that need scopes include:

24 inch 1x12 twist bull barrel Fulton Armory Varmint upper.
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: Super Sniper 16x42
My local range is 100 yards.  I will spend most of my time there however I will  be joining a range in Maine which goes out 400 yards.  Will be bench rest often but I will also be out in the field eventually.

18 inch LaRue Stealth upper
For this one I was going to save up and get a NF 2.5x10x32 mil dot
Use will be similar to above but more mobile weapon

16 inch White Oak Armament fluted DMR Upper
Looking for a close range optic for this one.  It is very light with the fluted barrel.  I liked the idea of red dot but I have an astigmatism and I am concerned the dot will be blurred due to some posts I read elsewhere.
Choices here with the above caveat:
Aimpoint CompM4
Eotech XPS2
ACOG TA44SR-10 Circle Dot  hard to find reviews of this sight.

Any advice, recommendations, or reviews will be greatly appreciated.

About me.  New to rifles.  Shot pistols for a while, punching paper at the range.  Could achieve pretty good groups but would not call myself a marksman.  My situation changed and I was busy and went to the range maybe once a year.   I always wanted an AR but never felt the need to rush out and get one.  The recent election changed that. 

So far I have been shooting with Iron Sights and with the ACOG above.  Can hit the paper at 100 yards easily with the ACOG.  My eyes are not great and I struggle with the iron sights.







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For the 24 your right on with the 16x or if you want it to be a dedicated long range the 20x SS would be a good choice as well being you said your eyes are not the best.  The 18 you said the NF which i agree with..  The 16 would be my choice for a moble weapon more compact and easier to handle in CQ and put EOTECH with maybe a 3x or even 5x Flip to Side Magnifier.  
 
From what you state I see this...
24" target paper punching gun
18"  Hunting varmits gun multiple ranges
16" because every AR owner wants a M4
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:


 

From what you state I see this...

24" target paper punching gun

18"  Hunting varmits gun multiple ranges

16" because every AR owner wants a M4


Hi thanks for the reply. You pretty much nailed it. Though I would like to take the 24 out into the field at some point.

I was also considering a 1-4x24 for the 16. Nightforce or Accupoint. Two decicions made one to go.

Any thoughts on the compact ACOGS? 1.5x
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Originally posted by Old Glory Old Glory wrote:

Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:


 

From what you state I see this...

24" target paper punching gun

18"  Hunting varmits gun multiple ranges

16" because every AR owner wants a M4


Hi thanks for the reply. You pretty much nailed it. Though I would like to take the 24 out into the field at some point.

I was also considering a 1-4x24 for the 16. Nightforce or Accupoint. Two decicions made one to go.

Any thoughts on the compact ACOGS? 1.5x
 
With taking the 24 into the field with a high power scope like the 16x or 20x you loose your ability to make shoots at close ranges.  As long as the shots where going to be at a distance you would be ok.  Image having you intended target at say 30yds with a 20x scope and the target moving!?!?!?!?! 
 
The good thing over the acog or the eotech would be the time it took to get on target.  Some would disagree that the 1-4 x24 would be just as fast but to me the eotech is just about the fast thing i know of to get on target. Then if you add the magnifier you open another window of distance you can shoot at.
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For the 24" gun: 16x42 SS is a good scope, but your distance are probably not long enough to make 16x necessary for that.  10x42 is a better allround choice.  If you plan to make it out to the field with it though, consider a variable, perhaps something in the 4-16x range.  There are not a lot of good variable scopes in the same price range as the 10x42 SS. Unless you are wiling to spend a bit more, I would stick with the 10x42.  One other option that is not much more expensive is the new Hawke Sidewinder 30 Tactical 4.5-14x42.  I am currently testing one and will know more about it in a couple of weeks.

For the 18" gun: the best allround scope for that is probably the 3-9x42 Super Sniper.  However, with FFP reticle it gets a little thick at high magnification.  Nightforce 2.5-10x32 is a very nice scope, but I would probably go up to a slightly larger objective lens if you plan to spend a lot of time at 10x.  Zeiss Conquest 2.5-10x44 with MilDot is a good choice, as is Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42 with MilDot.

For the 16":  Trijicon 1-4x24 is probably the best allround choice.


As far as money allocation strategy goes, I would probably start out by buying a Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42 with MilDot.  It will make a good fit with either the 24" gun or the 18" gun or both.  See if it fits your needs and requirements and go from there.

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Thank you Ilya. What are your thoughts on the NF 1-4x24 for a close range optic? That would make the 16. RECCE clone.
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Originally posted by Old Glory Old Glory wrote:

Thank you Ilya. What are your thoughts on the NF 1-4x24 for a close range optic? That would make the 16. RECCE clone.

The Nightforce 1-4x24 is a very nice scope.  However, for close range I would probably lean toward the Trijicon 1-4x24 owing to Trijicon's excellent reticle illumination.  I think it is just plain faster.

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Te Accupoint 1-4 is an excellent optic.
 
 
Also, on the sample list there is a USO SN4 1-4, it is a great scope (was mine) and has a good FFP reticle.  The down-side is that illumination is not always on (as it is on the Accupoint) but it is a great scope.
 
The Accupoint 1-4 is the best all-around fit for what you need.
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