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My first post here. Great info on this forum! Anyway, I recently decided to shoot long range target (goal is 300 yds +) & I'm going to use my Springfield M1A to do it. Some of the old timers told me that the M1A needs no more than a 10x scope. My eyesight pretty much sucks & I feel I need more than 10x. I currently have an A.R.M.S. mount & Warne steel rings to hang the scope. I dont want the objective bell to be larger than 56mm O.D. to keep my scope low. Most of my friends have Leupolds & tell me the world will stop turning if I buy anything else. I have compared Leupold's (various), Nikon's (Monarch & Buckmaster), Burris' (Fullfield), & Bushnell (3200 & 4200) side by side & I can't see the big money difference that some do. Although I looked through a S&B & It was quite a bit clearer than the above mentioned. I want to keep the price under about $450 if possible. From what I have researched so far, I like the Burris Fullfield 4.5-14x42, Burris Signature 3-12x44, Bushnell 3200 5-15x40, & Nikon Monarch 4-16x42. I REALLY like the fact that the Burris signature is made in the USA (if it's true). I'm not sold on the Leupold line so please don't push Leupold. Please steer me in the right direction!! Thanks!

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Welcome a1! I believe your friends are wrong. The golden rings don't rule the world. At least not my world. I think a Bushnell Elite 4200, or Zeiss Conquest to be at least equal to, or better than a Leupold. Here are some options for you. I don't have any experience with scopes in this price range with target turrets, and my target scope experience is pretty much limited to a Nightforce. They are great, but highly expensive.
 
If you can live with 9x max power, this is nicer than a Leupy VXIII
They also make this in a 3.5-10 with target turrets, but it's way more expensive. There is one of these on the samplelist in 4.5-14 on the samplelist right now for $599, that would be great if you can pull it off. They are not known for a large adjustment range though.
 
Or a little higher magnification, these also come in mil-dot and dot reticle.
Again more money would get you a 6500 Elite in 2.5-16, which would be very nice, but a lot more money.
 
These get very good reviews here also for the money, though I've not seen one. They also come in 16x and 20x. These will need 30 mm rings though.
 
One more. I don't have any with fine crosshairs for target, as I don't do much target shooting. I shoot a 10" steel gong from 100-700 yards.
 
I would recommend looking at this site's sponsor. swfa.com, or riflescopes.com. They have a 110% price match guarantee, and the best customer service in the business hands down. If you were willing to spend just a bit more, It would open many options for better glass in the higher range magnifications, but this is about as good as I can think of in this price class. I am no expert by any means, just a few things I have experience with. I personally use this for my long range gun.
 
 
This works very well for what I need it for. Some may not want to spend that much. I'm sure one of our senior member target shooters will set you up. They are highly intelligent, and I have learned much from them. You may want to look for a good deal at samplelist.com also.
 
 


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Thanks Trigger! Also I hear M1A's are especially hard on optics due to the way their bolt cycles. So whatever I choose needs to be quite tough. Thanks.
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IMHO, the Super Sniper in 16X is the ticket for 300 yard target work.  I'm biased because I have one and it's perfect for my 100-300 range toy.
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Add a karsten cheek piece to correct the cheekweld issue then you can put whatever scope you want on it.

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I tried scoping my M1A but the fact was I could shoot it better with open sights.  The M1A/M14 is-not the easiest thing to scope, most mounts are sub-par, but there are some good ones.

 

I won't try to sell you a Leupold but from personal experience they are repeatable and their customer service is pretty darn good.  They certainly have the most bells and whistles.

 

- Nikons are clear but lack internal adjustment on the Monarch line.  I wouldn't bother with a Buckmaster for target work but thats just me.  If your going to shoot beyond 600 yards you really need to take a good hard look at that.  Another thing is repeatibility.  Mine works OK but the clicks are a tad mushy compared to my Leupold.  They optics are very clear.

 

- Burris Fullfield II (4.5-14x42) I have one of these on a 17 HMR and it is very clear but, like the Monarch, it only has 40 MOA of adjustment.  OK to 600 but if you want to go out to 1000 yds its just not enough.  I'm not familiar with Burris Signature scopes but the model you listed has 50 MOA.  I have dealt with Burris customer service and I've NEVER been disappointed.  Also, regardless of the scope you end up getting, Burris has a Signature Scope Rings with plastic inserts.  For 1"scopes they come in in 0, 5, 10 &20 and can be used to help with both windage & elevation offsets, plus they prevent scope ring marks.   

 

- Bushnells:  Never owned one but according to the Bushnell website the one you mentioned has 50 MOA which should be sufficent.   There is an Elite 4200 4-16 (30mm) side focus (I believe around $500.00 @ SWFA.  It looks like a nice scope and then there is the 6500 series but they're a tad more than your budgeting. 

 

- I've heard some good things about Sightron scopes and the folks I've chated with that have them really like them.

 

HTH
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The Bushnell elite has a reputation for toughness, as does Leupold, but it sounds like you don't want to spend more money on your optics than the rifle, so I think Bushnell is the way to go.
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