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I just purchased a gently used H-S Precision rifle in good old 30-06. It looks like a "Tactical  Bolt Rifle", but it's light weight enough to hunt with. It has a 25 inch fluted barrel with a H-S Kevlar / fiberglass stock. The rifle is in great shape and groups well, but it needs more scope on it.

I need to get a good scope for the H-S Precision rifle. And I'd like to stay under $600. 

I've looked at / thought about the following scopes:

1.  - Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40mm with the Z-600 reticle.  This looks like the scope for me and it is good clear glass.  I'm just not crazy about the plastic turret covers or the "feel of the dials".

2.  - Leupold MK2 4-12X40mm and I like that the scope would look really good on my rifle (VX-II quality glass or not).  And I wouldn't have to "black out" the gold ring like I would with other Leupolds.  I don't like the fact that this rifle has the T2 turret with 1/2 MOA adjustment.  it would be better with the T1 turret 1/4 MOA adjustment.  Also nobody local has this scope in stock for me to look at.

3.  - Leupold VX3 3.5-10X40mm with CDS dials.  I like the idea / concept of the CDS dials on this scope.

4.  -A Leupold Custom Shop Project - - - a VX-II 4-12X40 with a Custom Reticle (matched to my 30-06 loading) and M1 turrets installed on it.

5.  - Burris Six X 2-12x40 30mm tube scope.  I like the power range on this scope a lot with 2 power for up close / heavy cover and up to 12 power for long range / open areas.  I own one other Burris and it's a Rimfire 3-9X32 on a Ruger 10-22 and it has given good service for me.  What I don't like is the scopes a new model and there aren't any reviews out there on it.   It is also costly (lot's of $$$) and I'd need to switch to 30MM rings on my rifle.  Again nobody local has this scope in stock for me to look at.     

6.  -Buy USED, I've looked at some of the used / demo / factory refurb scopes out there.  But I'm nervous / scared to buy a used scope online (I once bought a "factory refurb" VariX-II many years ago but that was in person at the store and I could see that the scope was perfect).

 Is there any other scope that would fill the bill better for me on this rifle with it's hunting / tactical intended use?

Thanks.

SSgtSmitty


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The Conquest is a good scope.  I've heard complaints regarding the plastic turrets but never had a problem with them and never had one fail.  Also, I can't say that I've heard anyone else complain of a turret failure.

I'd also look at Bushnell, Trijicon, and the SWFA Sample List (www.samplelist.com)


What kinda hunting (low light, thick scrub, from a stand)?
What do you need?
What do you want?
Do you get military/LE discount (applies only if Leupold is in the mix.)

A company called Kenton Industries will make a turret for many scopes that is exactly matched to your drop data (either they can generate the data based on the round you use, or you can provide real-world data and they will print the turret to match.)


Give some details and we can offer many great options. 





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Some, info & questions.
The H-S Precision rifle was made in 1994 on a Rem. model 700 action  (it still looks and shoots great).  It looks like the current model Pro-Series 2000 Varmint Rifle.  I found it at a Cabela's Gun Room for $1,600 and asked to see it.  The first thoughts into my mind were that it was in great shape and  much lighter than I expected.  My mindset was that I could use the one rifle to fill both the "hunting rifle" and "tactical rifle" voids in my gunsafe.   I traded an older SAKO in 30-06 towards it.  This is my one large caliber centerfire rifle unless you count my M1 Grand.  Everything else I own is smaller,  like 5.56/.223, 7.62X39, & 22LR.  So this is my long range large bore rifle.  The pet load for this beast is 168 grain Sierra Matchking HP BT with 46.0 rgrains of IMR-4064 powder.   As of right now, it has a Vari X-III 1.5-5X20 on it.  I'm looking for some thing that will give me a little better range / power than the 1.5-5.
Rancid Coolaid,  you asked me:  "What kinda hunting"  Right now not as much as I'd like.  I'm active duty military and was a single daddy for a few years.  Right now I'm stationed in western New England (Peoples Republic of MASS), but I'll be moving again within the next 15 months. 
(low light, thick scrub, from a stand)?
Low light capability from a scope would be nice.  Yes, I have hunted form thick wooded areas and from stands.  I've hunted Deer in NC, SC, and GA.  I have hunted Bear in NC a couple times.  I'd like to hunt Moose before I leave the Maine, VT, & NH area.  My next posting could be out to AZ or back to SC?  In 2010, for my 40th Birthday  I'm taking a trip with my father to either "Out West" or Alaska to have a guided hunt for large game (like an ELK).   I'll retire in 2013 and move back to western KY about and hour north of Nashville TN.
What do you need?
A good all purpose scope for this rifle that would work for most conditions.  The Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40 with the 600 Z-plex is the front runner for a scope right now.   The Burris Six X  2-12X40 looks real interesting. 
What do you want?
Someting that will look good and perform well on my rifle / caliber platform.  I do think a "kind of Tactical Scope" would look good on the H-S rifle.
Do you get military/LE discount (applies only if Leupold is in the mix.)
I didn't know that Leupold would give me a military discount.  Would the Leupold custom shop offer this as well?
Thanks for your help, offering your recomendations & sharring your scope knowlege.
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First and foremost, I've broken too many Leupolds to recommend them.  Additionally, I think they are overpriced for what you get, so Leupold is off my recommended list UNLESS you can get a military discount, then it is an OK deal, but still they break allot.

Zeiss makes a good scope.  IN a 3-9x40, it will be a good setup for anything pretty up close to anything a few hundred yards out.  In low light, it will do fine.

I haven't used Burris so I can't comment on them.

I have become a prety big fan of the Trijicon 3-9x40 Accupoint.  The glass is good, the reticles are fantastic (especially for low-light hunting) and they seem to be durable.


In your pricerange, if you want a dual-purpose scope (tactical and hunting), I'd say look at Falcon Menace and Vortex Viper.  In the wrost conditions, I doubt either will be as bright as clear as the Zeiss, but should be close.  And theya re more "tactical" whereas the Zeiss is pure hunting.

Be advised, a tactical scope will snag on things while moving through thick brush, a streamlined hunter will not.
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I had asked my dad about a scope for the H-S Precision rifle, something for short yardage out to 600 yard and his only recomendation was Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40.  I have a good friend who's also a gun nut and he keeps telling me that "it is the best scope out ther for under $600".  And with the Z-600 reticle it looks like it could meet the limits of my ability and my rifle / cartrige  combo.
About Trijicon,  I do know about them.  As a matter of fact there is a ACOG on my issued M4 sevice rifle right now.  I am a big believer that the ACOG is a force multiplier for the the Marines in the field.  As it takes a trained Marine and gives him geat ability to put rounds on target.  I have a buddy that had his life saved by his ACOG, it took a round that he didn't. 
As for the the Accupoint hunting scope, I've looked at them and liked what I saw.  A local gun shop has one that I checked out and it looks like it would be real fast on to target.  It should do out to 600 yards or so.  HoweverThe Trijicon Accupoint  at the top range of my scope budget.  Actually the 3-9X40 Accupoint is more money that I wished to spend. 
I do however have some questions about it?  Is the glass as good as the Zeiss Conquest?  How long is the self glowing thing "tritium" going to last, 10, 15, or 20 years?  Will it be alright in the darkness of the back of my gun safe?  What about inside the scope coat scope covers I put on my rifle optics?  Am I just paying for the "batteries not required" but just like a lite up reticle?  There is just too many unknowns about this set up for me.     
 
Just like you, I've never seen the Burris Six X.  I don't guess anybody else has either.  I do like the concept of a 2-12X40 scope though.
 
I've never heard of a Falcon Menace scope or the Vortex Viper.
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Originally posted by SSgtSmitty SSgtSmitty wrote:

Just like you, I've never seen the Burris Six X.  I don't guess anybody else has either.  I do like the concept of a 2-12X40 scope though.


The Burris Six X is a new scope this year, so you will have a hard time finding people that have used it or looked through it.  I am a Burris fan and have several of their scopes.  FFII, XTR, and Black Diamond.  The Six X will have the same glass as the Black Diamond.  In my opinion the glass is as good as a Conquest.   If I had the money, I would probably get one to try out.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/sixx.html

You could take a look at the Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16 as and alternative in that mag range.  Be about the same price as the Burris Six X
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Trijicon scopes are illuminated using tritium, it has a half-life of 12 years (I think.)  It requires no charging with a light source (that his phosphorescence) and will be fine covered the entire 12 years, but you'd miss all that low-light hunting!
 
The glass is good; whether as good as a Conquest 3-9, I cannot say for certain.  I have owned both and, due mostly to illuminated reticle, sold the Zeiss and kept the Trijicon.
 
You are paying mostly for the "no batteriesm always on" illumination; however, it is a feature well worth having.
 
 
The glass is a sharp and clear.  I'll try to do a side-by-side and post my findings.
 
One note: the reticle is not a "BDC" reticle, and it takes some effort to be precise.  It is an exceptional low-light hunter though.
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