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I just purchased a Savage 10FP DBM rifle with the new Choate tactical stock.  I have been wanting to put together a tactical DBM rifle for awhile.  It is a .308 but eventually I will screw on a .260 ackley barrel.  I will use a 20 moa Ken Farrel base and burris signature Z-rings with inserts.  I want target type turrets, a mil-dot reticle and at least 3.5" of eye relief.  It will be used for longrange target shooting (perhaps f-class shooting) and hunting.  If money was not a concern I would simply buy a Nightforce, Mark 4 or a Zeiss and be done with it, but with 2 kids yet to go to college I cannot bring myself to do it.  I really hate to go over the mid-$500 range, but I think I can fill my needs and keep within that budget.

I prefer to dial in the range and use the mils for windage hold-offs.  So I need accurate, repeatable elevation adjustments.

I am thinking of the following: 

On the lower end side,
3200 5-15 tactical (50 moa and 4" of eye relief) but smaller field of view over other scopes in that power range.

4.5 - 14 Weaver tactical (I think it is the exact same scope as the 3200 but has only 3-3.5" of eye relief but a wider field of view.  It might have a different tracking system (Weaver has been known to have good tracking).

4.5 -14 or 6-18 Buckmasters with mil-dot.  The 6-18 has target turrets but not a big fan of 1/8" adjustments.  I think these are only 40 moa or less range of adjustment.

Perhaps a Vortex but I don't like their short eye relief.

A little higher price:

Sightron Big Sky II 4.5 X 14 with side AO, 80 moa 1/4 adjustment and 20 minutes per revolution.

Sightron Big Sky 6.5 X 20 with side AO.  60 moa, 1/4 adjustment and 20 minutes per revolution.  Only concern here is smaller field of view.

Big Sky 4-16 mil-dot but has 1/8" adjustmernt only 10 minutes per revolution but does have 80 moa adjustment and is cheaper than the above Sightron scopes.

I have a Nikon Monarch 4-16 mil-dot now and I could get target turrets for it but it is only 40 moa and to be honest my Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14 is much clearer side by side.  So I am not overly impressed.  I have one of the very first New Monarch's to be delivered so maybe the later ones are better.  My old 6.5-20 Monarch UCC with ILL  mil- dot is also a better scope but are hard to find since they quit making them.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

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Sound like a candidate for the SSV, my friend.
 
Koshkin's fine review.


Edited by cheaptrick - August/09/2009 at 17:04
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Sounds like a nice scope, but not enough magnification for my needs.
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 You'll see the target better with a good 9x than you will with a poor 16x.
 I think the SS would be ideal for what you are doing.
 Guys are shooting 1/4 minute groups with this scope- and that translates out to 2-1/2 inches at one-thousand yards.
 
Do you really think you will be able to hold tighter than that with more magnification?
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For F-class, I would tend to agree that a little more magnification would be a good thing; HOWEVER, as RONK said - and as I have said many times  - glass quality trumps magnification every time.  Of the scopes you have listed (and the price-point for your candidates), nothing you have on the list has better glass than the SuperSniper.

I kinda agree with Ronk, having owned a few mid-level, high-magnification scopes, I too would side with less magnification and better glass.  My sole question is the Weaver, I hear good things about their tactical series and ahve never seen one, it migh be great, I can't say.

If you can bump your price point up just a weeee bit, I would highly recommend the Sightron S3 6-24, it would be a perfect match to that gun.  I would, for that application, HIGHLY recommend that scope  (assuming the hunting will not be inside 100 yards, 6X is a bit much for "close-range" hunting.  In most scopes, I wouldn't want a 24X top end, for f-class, it would be a great asset, the glass is very near Nightforce, it not its equal.

SS3-9 is a great scope and would be great for everything but the 800+yard shots (in my opinion) whereas the S3 would be great for shots from 100-1000+yards.

It all depends on what you want to do.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I would highly recommend the Sightron S3 6-24, it would be a perfect match to that gun.  the glass is very near Nightforce, it not its equal.


How do they compare tracking wise RC?
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This is your lucky day!


This very scope might be available on the SampleList soon - if I don't decide to keep it, that is.


http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=18547


It is not a short read, but get to the bottom,tracking is well documented (and quite good!)
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As for the SS3-9 tracking, it too has been spot-on, though that target isn't documented.

Both have great tracking.

The SS has the advantage of mil/mil (reticle/turrets) while the S3 is light duplex(dot) with MOA.  On tracking, it s a wash.  For f-class shoots, I doubt there is a better reticle than the one on the Sightron - though it ain't ideal for low-light hunting (but it would work.)  The mil dot reticle on the SS3-9 would not be as thin or as precise at long range as would the Sightron, but it would be better for hunting in relatively close-range encounters.
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