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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/02/2006 at 07:50
macky View Drop Down
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I'm trying to figure out what my next scope should be .....


I'm not a long time shooter .... I shoot I guess what people would call "precision shooting" (or at least that's my goal)  For now at a 100 yard outdoor range.  I bench rest and work on Handloads trying to find the most accurate. 


I've been setting up a few rifles as I go along .... here's what I have so far


Sporterized 1903 Springfield .30-06 with a Zeiss Conquest 3-9 ... this one is mine but is mainly used by my son for NE Deer Hunting


Savage 12VLP in .223 .... with a Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24X40 Mildot .... I love shooting this one .... I found a nice handload for it and it's damn accurate at 100 yards .... I shoot it at 12-14 power.


Built an AR-15 in .223.  Bushmaster Lower,  RRA Varmint Upper with Wilson Match, RRA Match Trigger and a SS10X42M .... also a blast to shoot .... still working on the right load for this one (1 in 8" twist ... playing with Sierra MK 77 grainers) .... getting there.


So now I've ordered a Savage 10FP LE2B in .308 and I'm starting my "quest" for a scope for this one.  I may buy a SS to use while I figure out the long term plan .... but I'm still mulling over that one.  This one is going to be used like the 12VLP and the AR15 .... bench rested range work .... usually good lighting ... (neighbors around the club shoot back if it's too early or too late)  I want something that is real good at sighting on a 2" square target at different ranges ....


Here's what my favorite target looks like ....



So here's what I'd like to the scope to do ......


The knobs need to be very accurate ..... I'd love 1/8" MOA but 1/4" is OK .... it I click up 4 times it needs to be 1" .... I need to be able to click all around, keeping track of how far I move and when I get back to my starting point (based on clicks) the scope needs to be back at "0" .... I guess this is called "repeatable"


I like the image size at 12-14 power at 100 yards .... I "feel" best at that range/power and would like to be pretty close to that at longer range .... so I guess that would put me at 24 power or so at 200 yards ..... 6-7 power at 50 yards .... and so on ...


When I move between 50, 100, 150, 200 and back again I want to be able to just count clicks on elevation and be zero-ed at that range (my targets are at known distances or I will be using a range finder)


300 yards is probably (on the average) the longest I would be shooting .... it's kinda mountainous around here and tough to find any flat open ground to take real long shoots and walk between the target and the bench.


Glass, although low-light is not critical, has be to real sharp and have nice contrast


Knobs do not have to be "un-covered"  I'm fine with removing a cover when I need to "click in" .... but I do like high target type knobs


And now the clinker .... the $$$$ point of diminishing returns ..... I have been cringing when I find a scope that breaks the $1000 barrier .... I'd love to find something in the $400 - $700 range .... but maybe not possible ....


I'd appreciate some ideas and some help in trying to figure this one out ....


BTW .... I'm honestly leaning towards a variable .... other wise I think a Super Sniper would be a pretty inviting scope.


If I left anything out, let me know .... Thanks




Oh yeah .... a different Make/Model than something I already have would be cool .... but if it ends up being another of the same so be it.

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/02/2006 at 08:45
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I love image next to your username on the left hand side!  Mmmmm, Big Mac!!!!!


Ok, we're talking scopes...  Sounds like you are using some pretty good glass with the Elite 4200.  Here are some scopes that you might consider that should fit your requirements of repeatable adjustments, excellent glass, variable higher-end magnification, durability and under $700.

--Burris Black Diamond 4x16 or 6x24 ($570-713)

--IOR 4x14 ($679)

--Meopta 4x16 ($779) ok, I know it's over $700 but the glass is outstanding; maybe you can find one on the SampleList

--Nikon Monarch UCC 5.5x16.5 or 6.5x20 ($399-489) **check these out**

--Weaver Grand Slam 6x20 ($399)


That ought to be enough to check out for now.  Others may disagree but, as far as quality of glass is concerend, the 4200 is tough to beat.  Above, the Burris, IOR & Meopta are probably a tad brighter, the Monarch is equal or just a tad better, and the Weaver might be a step below the 4200.


Best of luck

Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/02/2006 at 09:07
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$300-$700 budget

Variable, 12-14 power. Good power selection.

1/8" clicks are prefered.

Target turrets a must??(You mentioned liking high target turrets, but I wasn't sure that was manditory from your post.)

Side focus or AO/rear focus??

Something you don't presently own.

Here's where it gets a little complicated.
Reticle selection.

Duplex, mil dot, one of the many new ranging reticles??

I like a duplex, mil dot, or something with a thin center reticle for bench rest type shooting myself.
I don't like to obscure the dot on the target and I click most of my shots.

You may be or want to be a hold over shot guy. That's cool.
Check out one of the many new versions that are out there.
Burris and Nikon come to mind.

Did I miss anything??

Try RL-7 for that .223 Remington.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/02/2006 at 12:50
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Lets just throw the budget away and special order a U.S. Optics SN-3  3.2-17x, EREK knob 35mm tube, 44mm obj.


Now quit buying off the shelf and talk to George about building you a rifle.


I was in his shop in Kansas City the other day - Oh My God - Awesome rifles - I must have one.



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