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I am considering either the Leupold Olympic 10x50,  the Leupold  Pinnacle 10x42 or the Steiner Merlin 10x42. Which one is the better binocular? I really am leaning towards one of the Leupolds because of their lifetime warranty. In this $400 price range is there another binoc that is better? thanks for any help

 

I thought that having a 50mm objective lens would make the binoc better for low light is this true when comparing it against the 42mm above?

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If you want a low light binocular Leupold is always the wrong choise.

 

At Ebay two days ago a Leica 10x40 was sold for less than 400 dollars.

Why buy second hand and get best quality optics instead if you don't have the economy to buy best quality new?

 

I do very very rarely buy anything new as I'm a normal worker with just a little over average in sellary.

 

Regards Technika

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Take a look at the thread posted Nov. 17th, "best bino for the money". It already addresses alot of your questions.

The Steiner Merlin is a 10 year warranty binocular & is not rated as being 100% waterproof. You would need to go to the Steiner models that have a 30 year warr. to get 100% waterproof. Also, the Steiners are IF/individual focusing.

Bushnell Discoverer is a very good binocular priced in the range that you are looking at.

You could get into a very lengthy discussion when talking about Pinnacles 10x42 vs. Olympic 10x50, but, for the sake of brevity, here is a "brief" comment about the two.
The Pinnacles have silver enhanced prisms & better optical coatings than the Olympic series, which has aluminum enhanced prisms.
Depending on which manufacturer of binoculars you talk to, they will tell you that silver gives 15% to 20% better overall light transmission than aluminum. Combined WITH the optical coatings a manufacturer is using, the results will vary between 15% to 20% increased light transmission, for certain models, when comparing silver with aluminum.

I believe that the Olympic 10x50 uses the 50mm to compensate for that difference.(silver vs. aluminum)
If the Olympic was available in a 10x42 you would be able to see the difference between the two. The Pinnacles would be brighter. Optically the Pinnacles are a better binocular than the Olympic series.
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I'm going to weigh in on my experiences with the Leupolds.  I liked the Cascades the best, but on further review, the reason was I-P distance.  As it turns out my eyes are very close set.  The spec on both the Olympics and Pinnacles is 60 mm minimum.  That was just not quite enough for me, so it made the images not merge well, giving the sensation of an inferior view.
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What about if weight/size was not an issue and the  binocs could be porro or roof prism? Does the roof types enable me to get a better binocular than the Pinnacles (porro types) for about the same money?
For example does the Steiner Military 10x50 (and other similar styles) surpass the optics/performance of the Pinnacles/Pentax SP types? If so, what is the best roof prism binoc for about $400-$450 discounted price? Thanks for all your help.
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Technika - I did try Ebay but found that as the bidding went on the prices got higher than if I bought them at a store. An Olympic  binoc started out at $112 then went past $390 when I can buy them new in a store for $331. If i saw Lecias at $400 I would be happy to have bought them.
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Steiner Military is also a 10 yr.warranty binocular, so, it just depends on how "important" the waterproof/fogproof benefit is to you, as an individual. The optics & optical coatings are better in the Steiner 30 yr. warr. binoculars than in the 10 yr. warr. bino's. You can go to www.steiner-birding.com & pull up their specifications sheet, which will list ALL the different models of the 10 yr. warr. bino's vs. the 30 yr. warr. binoculars.

Leupold Pinnacles & Olympic series are only available in roof prism binoculars.

The easiest thing for you to do is go to the Samplelist online, at SWFA, & look over the different makes & models in your price range. Once you have narrowed it down, you need to go to a sporting goods store, etc. & start looking thru & handling different binoculars, so that you can SEE, for yourself, what you like & dislike about the various brands. (What is BEST for someone else may not be "ideal" for you, as an individual.)

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I have no experience with the Steiner models nor the 10x42 Pinnacle. However, I did own the Leupold Olympic 10x50. It was exceptionally bright and fairly sharp. My only two complaints with it were the balance...very front heavy and the narrow field of view...260-something feet if I remember correctly.
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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

If you want a low light binocular Leupold is always the wrong choise.

 

 

 

 

Leupold (despite being derided by some) has a long-standing tradition of building high-quality optics. Their binoculars are as bright as their competition in the same price classes. Thus, the Cascades are not going to be as bright as a Zeiss FL but, they will easily hold their own against the Nikon Monarch, Bushnell Legend, etc. against which they are directly competing. 

 

Leupold's new Gold Ring offerings have been lauded as remarkebly bright and clear. In fact, the only consistent negative that I have heard about them is that they are perhaps just a bit too heavy.

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"If you want a low light binocular Leupold is always the wrong choise."

 

Rolling on the floor laughing my a** off...

 

Ten million hunters must be wrong...

 

Gotta love that one.  I'll put a 10x42 Pinnacle up against anything in its price class and I've studied a lot of 'em side by side.  I'd give an edge in brightness to the Zeiss Conquest 10's but try finding them for what you can buy the Pinnacle's for.  The latest generation Pentax are right there as well, but there's not a tremendous difference between them and the Pinnacles.

 

Somebody get me a towel, I gotta wipe the tears of laughter away.

 

Just my two cents...

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