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The Kahles 1" CL series includes side focus adjustments through out their entire magnification range. Regarding the CL series, Kahles even goes do far as stating on their web site, "mechanical construction so precise that it requires side parallax adjustment as a standard feature." 

Now, I've read many places that parallax is typically not an issue until you get beyond 10X. If I accept this as true, then...
 
How come the 30 mm CS line does not include the parallax adjustment feature at all, even in their higher magnification 3-12x56 scope? Is the CS line so superior to the CL series that this feature is not needed?
 
What makes the CL so unique optically that it has side focus adjustments down to the 2-7x36 model?
 
Is this just all marketing hype given that the highest magnification range is 12X? Should I even care about the parallax adjustment at these magnification levels - most shots with this rifle will be in the 100-200 yd range with some experimentation out to a max of 600 yds on rare occasions.
 
Appreciate comments/feedback from any optical gurus out there, or any others with direct experience using either of these two scope models. 
 
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I agree that with modern day high end hunting scopes anything under 10x with a parallax adjustment is a little odd so....

I checked the SWFA web site and looked at the CL models. It looks like the CL is a Multizero that come in both 1" and 30mm tubes.  SWFA  only sells the CL  2-7x36 30mm model and it doesn't appear to have a side focus.

Kahles 2-7x36 Helia CL Multizero Riflescope at SWFA

I surfed the Kahles web site and only found the CL 2-7x36 model available in 1" tube and no mention of it coming in Multizero. It appears to come with side focus but it may be an administrative error. AS for the web site it self, looks like it hasn't been updated since 2006. Confused

Kahles 2-7x36 Helia CL at Kahles web site




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Mike,
 
Not sure if your browser is working properly but I was able to find 4 different models listed on the Kahles web site for Helia CL scopes. All with multizero and side focus. They are the 2-7x36, 3-9x42, 3-10x50, and 4-12x52. Try clicking on the down pointing arrow to the right of the scope designation on the original link you provided to the Kahles web site to see if you can display the other choices. Select the one you want from the pulldown menu to display it's technical data.
 
Also, the link provided below takes you to the page listing the various CL scopes SWFA sells:
 
 
Along with these new products from the CL line, SWFA also has many other Kahles models currently listed on the Sample List:
 
 
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ALL CL models are a 1" tube. The Multi Zero is an option that allows you to have a zero for different yardages.  But, that is a very good question about the side focus that I've wondered myself.

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I've got a rimfire scope with adjustable parallax that I use, but on a centerfire hunting scope it's a sales gimmick (so is multi-zero, as far as I'm concerned).  Hunting scopes with fixed parallax are set at 100yds, which is usable out to infinity.  You'll have a problem up close, but do you really care if your rifle is off 2" when you're shooting a deer at 25yds?  The CL's are fantastic scopes, though.  I wouldn't let the side focus get in the way of getting one.

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Originally posted by pell1203 pell1203 wrote:

Mike,
 
Not sure if your browser is working properly but I was able to find 4 different models listed on the Kahles web site for Helia CL scopes. All with multizero and side focus. They are the 2-7x36, 3-9x42, 3-10x50, and 4-12x52. Try clicking on the down pointing arrow to the right of the scope designation on the original link you provided to the Kahles web site to see if you can display the other choices. Select the one you want from the pulldown menu to display it's technical data.
 
Also, the link provided below takes you to the page listing the various CL scopes SWFA sells:
 
 
Along with these new products from the CL line, SWFA also has many other Kahles models currently listed on the Sample List:
 
 


pell1203,

browser is fine, your right, in my haste I posted that on the SWFA web site the CL 2-7x36 came in 30mm tube only. I checked the link again and it is 1" matching what the Kahles web site lists.

With that said...following the same SWFA link, it still appears the the CL 2-7x36 does not come with side focus, only the CL 3x9 models and up.

http://www.swfa.com/c-666-kahles-helia-cl-multizero-riflescopes.aspx


Sorry, all the different Kahles models are still a little confusing to me but I'm learning. Embarrassed










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Maybe the CL line is newer compared to the CS line and since they knew they where going to change some things at Kahles they didnt do a upgade until after the split with Swarovski

 
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According to the Kahles website, the CL 2-7X- 36, does have the SF.
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If you down load the CL brochure or manual from the Kahles web site it doesn’t list even list the CL 2-7X- 36. The same web site under technical data shows the  CL 2-7X- 36 with diopter compensation which I guess is side focus.

The SWFA sites does not sell the CL 2-7X- 36 with side focus. 

Called the source Kahles / Swarovski, 866-606-8779, and spoke to Mike in customer service. The CL 2-7X- 36 does not come in side focus. Only the CL 3-9, 3-10, and 4-12 come with side focus.

I'm considering Kahles for my next scope, that's why I so interested in what they have to offer and what their future is.


-Mike




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I was only going by what I saw on Kahles' web page. When I clicked on CL, then models, then 2-7x-36, scrolling down, the picture of the 2-7X shows the dial (side focus ?) on the left side of the turret housing. Also on that same page, read the left side bar. I believe the diopter is the focus on the eyepiece, to make the reticle black and crisp. 
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Blackbird, I hear ya, I did the same thing!! The Kahles web site needs some updating as well as their download pdf information. Thanks for clearing up the diopter question for me. Big%20smile


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