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I need help figuring out what I'm looking at.  A guy was given a 1911.  Looks like a standard General Issue .45.  The only marks on the gun are on the slide.  On the left side it says

"M-1911A1-67  AUTOLOADING  PISTOL
CALIBER. 45  US-ARMY  MODEL"
On the right side of the frame, just below the ejection port, is stamped "JAPAN".
Looks real.  Took the slide off and took a look at the barrel and saw that it is only open about 1/2" from the muzzle.  Then it is solid to within about an inch of the rear of the chamber.  Looks like enough room for a a .45 acp round to fit in.  Barrel looks to be manufactured that way- not welded in later.  No visable rifling at muzzle.  Thought it was odd to have a plugged barrel with room to chamber a round.  Then I realized the firing pin was not there.  In fact, it looks like the manufacturer just skipped the machining process that makes the hole for the pin.  Nothing there but solid metal.  But there is a 1 1/2"-2" piece of angled metal that has an extractor hook on the front and what appears to be a firing pin block on the back, that fits into the slide.  When assembled, the hammer falls on this piece.  Extraction looks possible.  Everything on the frame of the gun works like any other 1911.  Beavertail works, magazine seems legit, trigger and hammer work.  But absolutely no marks on the frame anywhere.  The grips are brown plastic and have a 1/2" silver medallion with what appears to be a letter "M" over top of a letter "R".  Is this a training pistol?  It seems that if it was attached to an operational slide and barrel, everything would work.  Could it be a real 1911 converted at a later date?  I'm at a loss on this one.  Anyone have an idea what I'm looking at?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/14/2008 at 16:55
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I think silver nail it.
Never have I seen anything like it, I would not even attempt to put a slide on that frame and fire it, you may EAT the Slide. not so good for your dental work!!!
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That is rather strange. I would be very cautious, any attempt to amke it a functional tool, could be disatrous at best. Remember the spring tension for a 45 is likely quite a bit more than the spring tension on that unit. Could it be a retrofit? It absolutely could be. I would take it to a trusted gun smitha nd see what they may know.
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I would not try and fire it.  There are to many unknowns about the metalurgy and heat treatment of the frame.
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Sounds like a replica gun made to look like one but not work. I think it's what Joe Biden has in mind for all of us.Shocked
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Once a customer wanted me to reblue a replica gun that he had removed the orignal bluing from, the slide was now highly poliched and looked great.
I immedeately responded with "I don't work on such crap, Please I don't even wanna see it"
But he "a gun dealer" turned one day up with this slide and I said ok.
When i put the slide down in the hot salt the bath started too boil very vigourusly.
First i didnt understand what was going on and tought that I maybe had get a "bubble" of frech water in the salt bath and tough the boiling temaratur is so different betwen thesolution and frech water that could be the reason.
So I tried to mix the solution better with a long pice of flat iron but it didnt help.
 
Suddenly i realizied "this repro slide can't be made of steel" and I lift it up and washed of the solution.
 
There was about 50% left of the slide.
The rest had dissapeared in the hotblue tank, the slide was probably made of Zink alloy that have a very close look and weight of steel........
 
I got a big laugh, the gundealer ears went down to his knees and he got a problem to explain to his customer........
I didnt feel any guilt at all, as I already from the beginning have said that I don't work on such crap......
 
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