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Optics GrassHopper
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Deciding on a tactical scope for my AR15 looking at the Nikon M223, Leupold Mark AR, and Vortex Razor HD. Anyone with comments or experiences with any of these...Thanks in advance and Have a good Labor Day upcoming
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Vortex Razor HD, Nikon m223 than Mark AR...

if you can afford it go Vortex Razor HD, Than take a look at the SWFA lineup than in a very distant 3rd look at Nikon and then in an even further distant 4th look at leupold AR.

Side by side the Nikon and the Leupold are nowheres near the others mentioned...

Again the $$$ go to the HD Razor.
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It may also help if you list your intended uses of the gun/optic as well as your budget - you seem to run the gamut from fairly cheap to spendy.
For what it's worth, I've run a SS 3-9x42 on my AR when I used it for hunting.  Currently am running a SS 1-6.
While not on an AR, I recently mounted up the new SS 3-15x42 for a buddy on his bolt gun.  A very nice scope for the money, if you want that much magnification range.
For a lot of AR work, the 1-6 gets it done in spades.  However if you plan to use this gun for all around everything and don't feel the need to have 1x on the bottom, a 3-9 or 3-15 may work.  A lot of it comes down to how good your eye sight is, and your intended uses for the rifle.
Something else to consider is the reticle of the scope.  The Nikon and Leupy are bullet drop compensating type reticles/turrets.  This means that they will only be accurate usually with one bullet weight and bullet speed.  So what happens when you find out that your gun doesn't particularly care for that bullet........ now your scope clicks don't match what you are shooting.
If you are going to spend the money on a good optic, I'd strongly suggest that you look at a brand that gives you matching turrets and reticle, such as an SS, or Vortex.  You may also wish to decide if you want a First Focal Plane scope (FFP) or a Second Focal Plane scope (SFP).  With a FFP scope, no matter what magnification range you are on, the reticle size stays in relation to your turret clicks - it grows and shrinks depending upon magnification.  A SFP scope on the other hand, always has your reticle the same size, and only at a certain higher power is it accurate for ranging/adjusting.
With a scope that has matching turrets and reticle - MOA or MILS (up to you) depending upon brand and/or model, you can with a little work on your part have all the benefits of a bullet drop compensating scope such as the Nikon or Leupy.  The main benefit here is that instead of just being accurate for one load the manufacturer decided on and your gun may not like to shoot, you can work out any load or loads that your gun likes.  Once you have this data, you can create drop charts to keep on a recipe card or sticker and know what to dial in via your turrets, or hold over using your reticle to score hits.
To save yourself some headache down the road, also consider that both SS (SWFA) and Vortex both offer some of the best warranties in the business.  If the optic should ever not work, they WILL take care of you.
A few years ago, I was in the same boat as you, looking at the Leupy and Nikon.  All I can say is that I'm glad I took my time, read and researched as much as I could, and in the end opted to stay away from what looked good, was cheaper, but limiting.
I've gotten bitten by the reloading bug and discovered that my AR likes 55gr., 60gr., & 68gr bullets.  Finding this took some time, components, and work on my part.  Different loads and bullets for different applications.  Had I gone with the Leupy Mark AR, the scope may have been accurate only with the 55 grain bullet, but only if my reloads matched the speeds that Leupy set up their turrets to work with.  Thinking "bigger picture" and spending more up front, I bypassed the frustration of buying a scope that was designed for just 55 grain bullets and went with ones that work with all loads.
Now if you really want to mess with it, you could have different sets of turrets made up for any different loads you find you like.  This will add cost that you could have put towards a better optic in the first place to accomplish the same thing.  Who want to be switching turrets on what many would call sub par glass in the first place?
At the end of the day, it's your gun and your coin.  But as 338 said above, go with the Vortex HD if you have the money and want SFP.  If you want FFP, go with the SS.  You will be happy you did.  Remember, buy once, cry once - it will save you money in the long run.
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Great response FireEMT but the leupy Mark AR MOD is not designed for only one load, while it does come with the BDC dial and you can buy more for different loads, it also has a mil/mil system that allows for all the clicking you should need if you get either the mil-dot reticle or the firedot TMR reticle. The BDC dial that comes with it or ones that you can order from their custom shop is just an "extra" tool to provide the option to BDC instead of clicks.
Also when you buy the Mark AR MOD from leupy directly they will most often than not provide you with a BDC with your load specifics including what your velocity is if you know it free of charge for the first one. After the first one that is usually free they will charge you around $50-60 for another dial but like I said it is not necessary as the dial still functions in mil clicks to begin with.
I just sold two of these leupys and if you want some good pictures you can look at the posting I have on craigslist that I referred to in my post here on OT, but for your convenience let me get that link....
If you can see the top turret for elevation adjustments the bigger numbers are for the BDC and the smaller numbers are for using the mil-click system like you normally would.
As far as the glass quality goes I will have to defer to yours and others thoughts as I do not have anything to compare it to in my collection and have only seen others in a store environment, which I do not need to say is less than favorable for comparing. Oops I said it anyway Whacko
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Thanks for the great advice from all
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