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I am looking into the Leupold VX-III scopes.  Specifically the 6.5-20 with 40mm obj and 30mm tube in the varmint reticle.  Other choice is the 4.5-14 with 40mm and 30mm tube and Boone and Crockett reticle.
 
I want a BDC scope, and not sure the big difference between reticles or advantages/disadvantages of either.
 
Does anyone have either of these that can provide any thought into them?
 
My intent is to mount on a Winchester 7mm Rem Mag for hunting Elk and Deer in Arizona with shots out to 450yds potentially.
 
Thanks for any helpful opinions or comments.
 
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Originally posted by Bertman911 Bertman911 wrote:

I am looking into the Leupold VX-III scopes.  Specifically the 6.5-20 with 40mm obj and 30mm tube in the varmint reticle.  Other choice is the 4.5-14 with 40mm and 30mm tube and Boone and Crockett reticle.
 
I want a BDC scope, and not sure the big difference between reticles or advantages/disadvantages of either.
 
Does anyone have either of these that can provide any thought into them?
 
My intent is to mount on a Winchester 7mm Rem Mag for hunting Elk and Deer in Arizona with shots out to 450yds potentially.
 
Thanks for any helpful opinions or comments.
 
...........Unless you`re going to hunt varmits too and do alot of paper punchin at long ranges, a 6.5x20 is too much magnification for a 7mm mag., even for the potential of shots out to 450 yards on deer and elk.
 
What happens if you ever have a 100 yard or less shot in closer cover? 6.5x on the low end??? Your FOV is reduced. It will take longer to acquire your target through the scope. And, 6.5x on the low end, is too much even out to 200 yards. IMO, not a good balance on either end.
 
I`d go with a 3x9, a 2.5x10, with the absolute max at a 4.5x14 and even that is a little too much imo.
 
The 3x9 or the 2.5x10 is enough magnification for deer and elk sized game at 400 to 500 yards.
 
You should have a good balance of magnification on both ends. 
 
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I just got a 4.5x14x40 mm long range (30mm tube) for my .300 win mag, to go elk hunting in Colorado.  My scope has the varmint reticle.  The B&C reticle is based on the same principle.  I like the varmint reticle because it offers a little better aim points for windage.  If you're going to be in open country the 6.5x20 would do fine...my hunt is in aspen timber/open country mix, so I chose the lower power.
I just shot about 30 rounds today and my scope did great, it's clear and holds point of impact. 
If I were to give an opinion: I'd go with the lower power--4.5-14. 
The Leupold web-site has a good video that you can download and get the idea of the BDC reticles...as far as how they work and what-not.
IMO the B&C reticle is a little less 'busy' than the varmint reitcle if that helps you any. 
I would guess that you would be happy with either, just remember that if you happen to be in the woods and you need to get that bull in your scope fast, the lower power scope will allow you to get off a shot faster....I'm a hunter not a shooter.
If you have any further ??s post them and I'll answer...or at least make something up that sounds good Big%20Smile
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I have the Varmint Hunter reticle on one of my varmint scopes and it is nice.  My concern about it for a big game hunting scope, however, is the fact it is so thin that I lose it in low light -- during the best hunting times.  I love the fact it's thin for varmint and paper shooting, but I want a bold reticle for a general purpose hunting scope so that I can see the reticle in any light condition I can see the animal well enough to make the shot.

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You guys answered alot of my concerns, and I appreciate that.
 
My thought on the varmint reticle was that of losing it in low light also. 
 
I agree also about the magnification on the 6.5-20.  It may be a little much.  Leaning towards the 4.5-14x I think.
 
If anyone else has further comment I would sure like to hear it.....good, bad or indifferent.
 
 
ALSO>!>!>!>!      Where has everyone been getting the best deals on their scopes?  I have found the scope I was looking for on EBAY for about $100 less that what most popular stores are offering.  Still a little learn about buying my scope from there.  If anyone has some reputable sites to buy from, let me know.
 
 
THANKS AGAIN everyone!
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I use a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44 with the Rapid-Z reticle. I have no trouble seeing it in low light, and it works as advertised. I've heard before that the varmint reticle is hard to see in low light. It is thin, but I've never looked through one at dusk, only broad daylight. The B&C may be a better choice, but I haven't spent any time with that either.
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Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

I just got a 4.5x14x40 mm long range (30mm tube) for my .300 win mag, to go elk hunting in Colorado.  My scope has the varmint reticle.  The B&C reticle is based on the same principle.  I like the varmint reticle because it offers a little better aim points for windage.  If you're going to be in open country the 6.5x20 would do fine...my hunt is in aspen timber/open country mix, so I chose the lower power.
I just shot about 30 rounds today and my scope did great, it's clear and holds point of impact. 
If I were to give an opinion: I'd go with the lower power--4.5-14. 
The Leupold web-site has a good video that you can download and get the idea of the BDC reticles...as far as how they work and what-not.
IMO the B&C reticle is a little less 'busy' than the varmint reitcle if that helps you any. 
I would guess that you would be happy with either, just remember that if you happen to be in the woods and you need to get that bull in your scope fast, the lower power scope will allow you to get off a shot faster....I'm a hunter not a shooter.
If you have any further ??s post them and I'll answer...or at least make something up that sounds good Big%20Smile
 
If you use the varmint reticle realize it is set up for 22-250 and similar cartridges. The ballistics are very different from the 7mm Mag., especially the windage. Windage will deviate only approx 1/2 that of a 50 gr 22-250 in the same wind.
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Originally posted by Bertman911 Bertman911 wrote:

ALSO>!>!>!>!      Where has everyone been getting the best deals on their scopes?  I have found the scope I was looking for on EBAY for about $100 less that what most popular stores are offering.  Still a little learn about buying my scope from there.  If anyone has some reputable sites to buy from, let me know.
 
 
THANKS AGAIN everyone!
 
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I have bought 3 scopes on Ebay in the past. That said I would spend a little extra now to buy from SWFA simply because of this sight and the wealth of information it provides. I personally have learned much from this forum and its members.
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Thanks everyone.  I am currently looking at the SWFA website now.
 
Another question.....then I promise I will decide.....lol.
 
Any thought to the Nikon Monarch rifle scopes with their BDC reticles?
 
From what it seems, as prices increase, the quality of the optic glass does as well.  Do Nikon Monarch rifle scopes and their BDC (which has circles) compare to the Leupold with their Boone and Crockett reticle (more of a christmas tree design)?  I did look into the Zeiss Conquest, but if I spend that much more (+/- $200) then I am real close to a Swarovski (lower end), and I told myself to not go that far....lol (even though they sure are nice).
 
Let me know please.
 
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Did you  see the Nikon Primos?  Its the Monarch UCC and a great buy!
 
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How will the Monarch stack up to the VXIII in terms of the glass quality?
 
 
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I think the varmint reticle has several caliber selections, including .300 win mag...according to Leupold...
 
Am I wrong?  I understand what you are saying...and truth be known I'm sure they are "guidelines" as they say in that Johnny Depp pirate movie... 
 
set me straight...I don't want to miss an elk!!! 
 
as a side note---I try not to shoot long range at something in a 'howling' wind, but ya never know.
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With every BDC scope, you have to "shoot it in" to the rifle/ammo you are using. If you change ammo (weight, manufacturer, lot number) you will have to "re-sight" the BDC. HOWEVER, BDC is way cool. If you do your homework, which you should do with any scope/sight you use, you will be able to confidently engage at ranges you never thought possible very rapidly.     The Nikon BDC is excellent.

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Yeah I understand the concept of sighting in my new BDC.  I will have to find a place to shoot out to 500yds, then theoretically I should be on at 200.  This is per the Leupold video on their site.
 
All I can assume is that with increased price is increased quality in glass.  Nikon...Leupold...Swarovski...etc...  Opinion will differ I am sure.  I like Leupolds warranty though...lifetime and transferrrable.
 
Found the Leupold I am thinking of on Ebay for $120 less than anyone else I have found. poor_fish was the name of the Ebay store.
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I don't recommend ebay. Too easy to get a counterfeit.
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LEU56140 Leupold%204.5-14x40%20Mark%204%20LR/T%2030mm%20Riflescope%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
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BDC reticles only work at the highest power so I prefer target or tactical knobs with Kenton balistic compensating knobs. The speed dial knobs  are very fast and user friendly see below the 0 represents a 100 yd then a hash mark for 150 then 2 for 200 and so on out to usually 500 to 600 yds depending on caliber.
 

Leupold VXII, VXIII, Vari-X III, Tactical, & Mark 4 P.R. scope
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PS   Buy a clue. Eaven Leupold warns of counterfit scopes on e-bay.  SWFA is going to give you the best price and service. If you get something from SWFA and by some remote chance it gets damaged in shipping they will help you - try that with ebay there is too much risk on this type of item. Leupold sets the price that dealers charge if it sounds too good to be true you better worry.
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