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I have done alot of research on the net between different optics, now I would like some input from ppl who actually have used or looked thru the product. Here are the binoculars im debating between. I do alot of hunting and game watching in open plains so i need a good high powered set of binoculars.

Steiner Nighthunter XP 12x56mm

Steiner Predator C5 12x42mm

Zeiss Conquest 12x45mm

or a Leupold in 12x

If ppl could help me out with this I would greatly appreciate it, I've been leaning towards the NIghthunter XP but haven't seen on first hand.
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I have not looked through the Steiners, but I would lean towards the Zeiss. Are you sure you want 12x? These would be very hard to hold steady enough in the field. Most would tell you to stick with 8x, but I use 10x. I hunt in huge pastures, and fields.
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My dad uses Meopta 12x50 binos and he really likes them.  They are definitely better than the Leupolds or Zeiss Conquest and most likely better than the Steiners.  Check them out as well, I think you would be pleasantly surprised.   
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I'm sure the 12x50 Vortex Razors, or 10x50 would be worth a look too. From what I hear, they are about the best for the money. I don't have any, so can't verify.
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 The vortex and meoptas are very close optically and in price.  I also think they offer the best value in the $750-1000 range.
 12x is to much magnification for my own personal use, but of the binos listed above I'd lean towards the zeiss, though I'd have to do a little "hands on" comparisons to validate my choice.
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I've got 8x30 night hunters and would go to the Zeiss as they should be the sharpest of the bunch.  I'd look at the Meopta, Docter, IOR and Minox lines as well. I would also move down to 10x or use a spotting scope. The longer the distance the sharper the glass needs to be. 
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Thanks everyone for your input. I will check into the Meostar, and vortex. I appreicate the advice
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I forgot to let everyone know. Im looking for low-light performance. I've used a 10x for a number of years but could use the extra 2x. Any suggestions is nice.
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Just remember that a 12x50 will have almost .9 mm smaller exit pupil than a 10x50. Might not be a huge difference in low light, but wanted to remind you, you don't get that extra 2x for free.
 
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Yup, if you are after low light then you are going to be better off with 10x50 than the 12x50s.  Or better yet 8x56s.  Meopta has any of those I believe, they are amazing bino's for the price.  http://www.swfa.com/c-1135-meopta-binoculars.aspx
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Originally posted by Jesse1 Jesse1 wrote:

I've used a 10x for a number of years but could use the extra 2x. Any suggestions is nice.


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If you are looking for low light performance in a hand held binocular, the binoculars you are suggesting are a wrong way to go unless you have inhumanly steady hands.

A suggestion of an 8x56 binocular is spot on.  Out of the brands mentioned in this thread, Meopta Meostar will have the best low light performance by a reasonable margin.

If you are looking for low light performance in a hand-held binocular, go with either 8x56 or 7x50 configuration.

If you plan to mount the binocular on a tripod, you could go try up to 10x50, although I still think you will see better with a 8x56.

You mention that you have been using a 10x binocular.  Which one?

Also, what is your intended price range?  Depending on how much money you are willing to spend the recommendations will be different.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

the binoculars you are suggesting are a wrong way to go unless you have inhumanly steady hands.ILya


Just some basic, friendly suggestions for handholding 12x & higher magnifications.

1. If sitting is an option, use the elbows & the knees for support.

2. A sitting position is always more stable than standing. (Gore Tex rain pants makes sittiing possible, when the ground is wet)

3. If standing, lean your back against a tree, or a boulder, or any available structure, for additional support.

4. Arms resting against the chest , rather than sticking out.

5. Hold the binocular by the objective ends, rather than the prism housings.

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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

the binoculars you are suggesting are a wrong way to go unless you have inhumanly steady hands.ILya


Just some basic, friendly suggestions for handholding 12x & higher magnifications.

1. If sitting is an option, use the elbows & the knees for support.

2. A sitting position is always more stable than standing. (Gore Tex rain pants makes sittiing possible, when the ground is wet)

3. If standing, lean your back against a tree, or a boulder, or any available structure, for additional support.

4. Arms resting against the chest , rather than sticking out.

5. Hold the binocular by the objective ends, rather than the prism housings.

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I respectfully agree. For hunting I think you can get by with 12x binos using some of the techniques listed above and it shouldn't be an issue. I used 12x for a few years but when upgrading to the "next level" in optics I went with 10x because of cost and found that I like 'em better. 10x has power and is a little more versatile than 12x.
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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:


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I think the kid in those pictures would see a whole lot better, if he would remove the tape and paper from covering his objective lenses....Big Grin
 
 
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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:


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I think the kid in those pictures would see a whole lot better, if he would remove the tape and paper from covering his objective lenses....Big Grin
 
 


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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

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I think the kid in those pictures would see a whole lot better, if he would remove the tape and paper from covering his objective lenses....Big Grin

 

 


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One thing that I do with my binos that help a lot with holding them steady is I wrap one finger from each hand around the brim of my hat.  Sounds dumb and simple be it really helps me steady my binos and hold them more secure. 
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All of these things help, but for glassing for any length of time 12x is still a bit much unless you have a tripod or similar support.  For most people even 10x is pushing it.  I once taped up several binoculars (so that the maker and magnification were not visible) and asked a bunch of people to look at some resolution charts and other targets to tell me which binocular gave them the best image quality.  Handheld, almost everyone saw the most detail with a 7x42.  While leaning on something or holding onto the hat, etc 8x gave out the most detail.  Off of a tripod, 10x worked best, but it was still a close call with a good 8.5x bino.

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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

the binoculars you are suggesting are a wrong way to go unless you have inhumanly steady hands.ILya


Just some basic, friendly suggestions for handholding 12x & higher magnifications.

1. If sitting is an option, use the elbows & the knees for support.

2. A sitting position is always more stable than standing. (Gore Tex rain pants makes sittiing possible, when the ground is wet)

3. If standing, lean your back against a tree, or a boulder, or any available structure, for additional support.

4. Arms resting against the chest , rather than sticking out.

5. Hold the binocular by the objective ends, rather than the prism housings.

Handholding binoculars click here




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I respectfully agree. For hunting I think you can get by with 12x binos using some of the techniques listed above and it shouldn't be an issue.
 
Really? Try it about a week after you quit smoking. I'm having a hell of a time seeing anything. Kind of making myself sick. The 10x used to be about right for me, I don't think I'm quite steady enough for a 12x. Although many times I have the luxury of time and distance from game. I use a fence post, or log to steady my bino's.
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Thanks everyone for your input. My price range is no more than $1000. I know everyone says 12X is to much but I used a 10x50 Nikon and haven't had alot of problem with holding it steady. There is nothing wrong wiht the binoculars, just would like to upgrade to something that has a little better glass. I don't glass for long periods of time. Alot of it is seeing something out of the ordinary that wasn't htere before and taking a closer look. Or seeing a deer a long way out there or can see its a buck but can't tell how big, just want something ot get a closer look, with good power without taking the time of setting up a spotting scope.
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You best bet is to go with higher optical quality rather than higher magnification.  If you are comfortable with 10x, stick to that, just get better glass.

In the under $1000 range with 10x, go for Meopta Meostar.

If you do not a substantially larger binocular, take a look at Docter 10x50 Nobilem porro and Optolyth Royal 10x56 roof.

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Leupold HD Golden Rings 10x42 for $800 is a steal.
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