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You could always go with the ACOG.  This would be the one to get.  http://www.swfa.com/pc-4337-225-trijicon-35x35-acog-rifle-scope.aspx

I have the IOR 4x24 on my AR and it works pretty good for CQB.  When you are doing real close work it is more about muscle memory anyway. 
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Millett DPMS perhaps, There are some Eotechs as well which is a CQB and can come with a 308 BDC reticle.
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the Eotech was my first thought but i was concerned about not having magnification.

Looks like a few add-ons and i could have magnification and night vision tooDevil
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Bad thing about he Eotech is your whole sight system now depends on batteries.  For a personal/home defense weapon that is a huge downfall in my book.  You will want to have co-witnessing sights if you go with the eotech.
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On a rifle like that .308, I would prefer variable power.
Secondly, I wouldn't worry about batteries. They are compact and always easy to keep spares handy. The military seems to be getting by just fine with Aimpoints and they are battery powered. I have never had a worry with mine. You need to be careful about which unit you buy. Our troops deserve the best and if it is good enough for them, it is far good enough for me. Look at the Eotech, Aimpoint and Trijicon offerings for illumination. Also, don't discount Leupold and IOR, they are well proven, also.
I have always suggested that when using lithium batteries you have a back up very close by. These batteries have a very narrow window between near death and dead. Once they start to go you only have a few on off cycles before they are history.


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It is easy to say not to worry about them until someone breaks in your house and you pick up your rifle to go and the sight does not turn on.  I don't know how many times I have left my lit reticle turned on only to find the next time I used it it was dead.  And I know the Eotechs turn off on their own, but it is still a possible failure that could happen when you need to use it.  And the time it takes you to put in new batteries could be all the time that is needed for the bad guy. 

My buddy that was in Iraq said they changed the batteries in there Aimpoints all the time just to make sure they were fresh and ready to go always. 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:


My buddy that was in Iraq said they changed the batteries in there Aimpoints all the time just to make sure they were fresh and ready to go always. 


That's what I do with my stuff and I carry a 6P Surefire far more often than my G19. I also have been using a 9P in a weapons mount shock proof head for years, also. BE PREPARED.
Standard batteries of any chemical composition die slowly when at the end. You have more time with them.
Lithiums die much faster, but the window is still there. Replace them and you will be fine.
I don't want to be too abrasive here, but, if you let important batteries like this fail..................you're not being intelligent
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I looked at the Millet and I'm not sure the doughnut reticle is exactly what i want. It is a nice price. Just don't think its for me.

What if i change tack and look at a hunting style variable x, with the same 750.00 max?

I still like the idea of having a low, ( 1x to 1.5x) starting point. And I rarely take shots over 600 yds.

Looks like the the Eotech would be way over my price range with magnification...


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If you can wick up the funding a little get a Kahles! For a little more you can get an illuminated 1.1-4x24. This is an outstanding scope. I have them in both 4A and illuminated circle-dot..............superb!
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:


I don't want to be too abrasive here, but, if you let important batteries like this fail..................you're not being intelligent


Agreed and obvious, at least it should be to everyone.   But my whole point is there are other options with out batteries that work just as good with less risk of failure.  I would much prefer to eliminate the risk altogether.  Sure you can be prepared but that fact is even if you think you've done everything right they could still fail.  Thus the whole point of having backup co-witness sights in place on the gun then if the Eotech fails you are not SOL you can just keep on fighting.

Anyway I guess we could keep debating but whats the point, you like them I don't.  At least as far as relying on the solely. 



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With an AR rail he can have BUI's.

The Trijicons are a great alternative, too. My tritium Trijicons are ten years old. Regardless, like some of the illuminated cross hairs, they still work when the glow is long gone.
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With an AR rail he can have BUI's.

What are /is BUI's?
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I'm a patient guy and so what if i have a new rifle waiting on me to take it out and have some fun..I'll just have to wait.
Called SWFA this morning and they said the burris scope i want isn't coming in till mid may, oh well i can wait, it meets all of my criteria so i'll wait

I know this is an optics forum but you folks know your stuff so here goes with an ot question.

Please go easy on me here...

I want to do two things besides getting optics
1) add a light
2) change the trigger

Can the gas block just be turned over to attach a light or does it need replaced with one with more than one rail on top?

Suggestions for a light? And block if it needs replaced?

I am thinking of a Jewell trigger. Is there a better one, or something else to look at?

These things will help keep me busy while waiting on the scope.

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I'm pretty sure the block can't be turned over, it can be replaced and a new tube for the new design installed. I would take a long look at some of the AR designated forums and see what those foks are up to. There are also quite a few places that deal with this type of want as well and have likely got just what you will need to make the modification.
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You can just get a picatinny rail that will attach to the standard handgaurd and then add a Streamlight M3X or similar light.  That is certainly the less expensive and simple way to do it and it works great.  I have taken night classes with mine setup that way and it has worked fine.  Especially if you put a forward grip right behind the light then you can just flick the switch with you thumb.

Those really expensive $600+ setups are pretty hard to justify and really won't provide much more light than a m3x
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I think one of the best triggers for the AR in the Rock River two stag match trigger.  It does not require continual adjustment like the jewel will and it is a dang nice feeling trigger.
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