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ti-force ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() ![]() Joined: August/28/2008 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 195 |
First let me say thank you very much for taking the time to do this review, I'm glad this forum has members like yourself who take the time to test these products and then take more time to present your findings for everyone's benefit. Now, I have a question for you.
Could the same be said about the glass in the Endurance 30? I'm currently stalled in deciding wheather to purchase a Trijicon Accupoint or a Hawke Endurance 30, but if the optics are no better than that, it may very well steer me back towards the Trijicon. Thanks |
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ti-force ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() ![]() Joined: August/28/2008 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 195 |
Well, I just looked at the Hawke website and I noticed that they say "Japanese engineered optical system" for the Endurance 30, so I'm assuming the Endurance 30 and the Sidewinder 30 don't have the same glass. Of course, I'd still like to hear your input on the matter.
Thanks, Casey |
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koshkin ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11845 |
The only Endurance 30 scope I have looked at has been the 1.25-4.5x24 and I just started looking at it. I really do not know how good the optical quality of the Endurance 30 scopes is compared to the Sidewinder 30.
I am pretty sure that the two scopes are made in the same factory in China, although these are two different designs. Ultimately, it is often hard to extrapolate optical quality even between different models in the same line-up, and much more difficult to do between different line-ups. The scope I looked at is a 6-24x56. Combination of high magnification and large objective lens can really make optical flaws stand out. A less ambitiously configured scope of the same optical quality would probably look better. How much better (if better at all) I can't say. ILya
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ti-force ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() ![]() Joined: August/28/2008 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 195 |
Okay, thanks for your input.
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safariarms man ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() ![]() Dolphin Overton Joined: June/28/2009 Location: K67BB Status: Offline Points: 111 |
This review was less invigorating than the previous review that I posted on. As an owner of multiple Hawke scopes, purchased way before the hoopla that they are receiving now and not an owner of the sidewinder (I would never own a scope with a silly wheel), I have to say the ballistics reticle and presets are for basic presets. The basic purpose after talking to Brad is to pick a caliber and you put in your values for calculation of the ED. If it is a .308, it is applicable to any 30 caliber. Or just punch in your own caliber. I find the system quite simple. Optically, I cannot comment on the sidewinder, since I do not own one. All of the others are quite good.
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koshkin ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11845 |
I think your take on the presets is just plain wrong. I explained this thing to Brad over dinner a little while back. ED varies with your bullet weight, shape and velocity. If you are shooting a 308Win, your ED is going to be dramatically different if you are shooting a 150gr roundnose vs 190gr SMK. In case you are wondering, I verified that with different ammo on the same rifle. ILya
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Digit ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: July/02/2007 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 36 |
Its probably worth explaining the use of the sidewheel. Hawke is a UK company. A huge portion of their market is airgunners and most airguns there are resticted to 12ft/lbs power. in the UK, FT (field target) is a popular sport. Higher powered airgun scopes typically feature a side wheel for the purpose of range finding in FT. FT doesnt allow the use of range finders to measure distance to randomly placed targets, so distance by parallax reading is used. A competitor will crank the scope up to full power to reduce the depth of field then using the large side wheel (with custom distances marked on) snap the focus in and out then read off the larger side wheel. You will note that parallax adjustment markings on a side wheel are very widely spaced below 50 yards. The exact distance is obviously required as the trajectory on a 7 grain pellet traveling at approx 800fps is like a rainbow anything over 30 yards. Once distance is established then the user will usually power down to a particular power and holdover based on a drop chart - hence the software designed to go with the scope. FT isnt big in the USA so most consumers simply see the side wheel and software as novelty. Target audience for this scope, like other high powered airgun scopes are those that shoot FT and or airgun hunting. HTH :)
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koshkin ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11845 |
A bit of a follow up:
It looks like all my whining and complaining about Sidewinder optics did not fall on deaf ears (I also suspect that I am not the only one to whine about this). The powers that be at Hawke took all the criticism to heart and are working with the factory to improve the glass. I will post an update as soon as I learn anything else on the subject. ILya
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koshkin ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11845 |
BTT.
I am applying for a "media" badge for the next SHOT Show which requires proof, i.e. industry relevant stuff that I have written and posted here. I will bring several of my threads back to the top to make them easier to find. Thanks ILya |
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charlesasmith ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: October/01/2009 Location: Portland, OR Status: Offline Points: 1 |
Koshkin: Have you heard yet about any improvement of the optics for the Hawke 30 Sidewinder? Thanks, Chuck
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koshkin ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11845 |
I have been told that Hawke management took my (and other people's) complaints very seriously and the optical system in the Sidewinder 30 chassis will get a redesign.
I have not seen it yet and until then I can't speculate on how much better it will become. I do not have any idea on the timeline either, so stay tuned. ILya
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cyborg ![]() Optics God ![]() ![]() God of Wind Joined: August/24/2007 Location: North Georgia Status: Offline Points: 12082 |
Thanks Ilya for the time and effort that you always put into this type of work. I deeply appreciate it. I am sure several others do also. I am happy to hear that Hawke will be working to resolve your concerns. YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!
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TruthNtime ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: October/28/2009 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 48 |
Hello all, I am new to the forum and am trying to find out what the best 1 to 1.5 - 4 to 4.5 x magnification 30mm scope is the best for around $300.00 to $325.00. I like the Hawke Endurance 1.5 to 4.5 and this thread talked about an upcoming review of that same scope. Does anyone have experience with the Hawke 1.5 to 4.5x Endurance? I am looking for a good optic (replacing a cheap $60.00 Barska) that can stand some general abuse...i.e. trudging through the woods, maybe the gun bumps a tree, or even a fall from a standing position while leaned on a tree. This will be going on either a Yugoslavian AK or a Smith and Wesson M&P 15T. Any help will be appreciated, and any advice to stay away from certain manufacturers will be considered if you have good reason to discredit them. I have also looked at the Konus M30 1-4 / and the Millet Doughnut in a dot 1-4. Look forward to seeing replies. Robert, in TX. Ohhh, and most of my shots would be 250 yards and under, and the heaviest recoil from a 7.62x39 or .223.
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koshkin ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11845 |
It is probably worth your while to start a new thread with your questions in the "Rifle Scopes" part of the forum. That way you will get more responses. As a side note, I am currently testing the 1.25-4.5x24 Endurance 30. ILya
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TruthNtime ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: October/28/2009 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 48 |
Thats a will do friend :)
I will wait to see how the testing goes on the one you are currently working with. I am reall thinking its the one for me
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Urimaginaryfrnd ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Resident Redneck Joined: June/20/2005 Location: Iowa Status: Offline Points: 14257 |
Thanks for the great review. I almost bought one of the Leatherwoods I like the idea of the flag markers for distance - wish it was a better scope.
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