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Looking to buy a set of Leica binoculars but having a hard time trying to decide between the 12 x 50 Untravid or the 10 x 15 x 50 Duovid. I do alot of hunting in the mountains in the west so seeing long distance is a must. Any advise?
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Welcome, nmnewt! 
 
First off, do you plan on using a tripod with these variable binoculars?  Many people feel that 10X is about the most magnification that one can hand hold steady enough to take advantage of the increased magnification.  Personally, I wouldn't spend the money that a good set of variable power binoculars cost, and instead, I would be more likely to get a good pair of upper mid range 8X42 or 10X42 binos and with the extra $ you save, buy a decent compact spotting scope that will give you better long distance spotting capability.  To my way of thinking, even if you can hold it steady enough, 12X or 15X doesn't offer enough of a magnification advantage to warrant the increased cost and mechanical complexity of such binoculars... for me.  Since you really need a tripod in my opinion to use these higher magnifications anyway, I would go ahead and get a spotting scope that will give you even more magnification for not much added weight beyond what the tripod weighs.
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We do alot of sitting and glassing from high vantage points. I was planning on using a tripod on anything over a 10X. I hunted with a guy from Arizona that used the 15 x 56 swaros for coues deer and was amazed at what you can see. That is the reason i was looking at this option. If I go with a 10X, would you perfer the 45 or a 50?
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I have used the Leica Ultravid 10x42 in the last 2 years, but not very often, because i prefer the 8x32.
I think that you would be best served by an Ultravid 10x42. The 10x is the maximum that one can handhold and still see or understand the image. The get the most out of a 15x, you need to put it on a tripod.
42 mm Ultravid works well into the night, there is no need for the larger and heavier 50 mm.
Suppose that you are in those mountains and see an elk during the last few minutes of any kind of light with the 50 mm, far into the distance. By the time you get close enough to shoot,  it's midnight.
As far as the 10x42, they are bright enough to see perfectly anything during any legal shooting hours. The Leica Ultravid has no stray light  and ghosting whatsoever, pretty useful when you scan the horizons with the sun at low angle in the morning and evening.
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I've used the Ultravid 10x42 to find sparrows in New Mexico and Colorado. Believe me, they are more difficult to find than a deer.

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Once you get to the ultrapremium 10x42 binoculars, it will not be the binoculars that make or break your hunt.
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How are these on your eyes after long periods?
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Does anyone anyone have any experince with the switch power?
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I use 10x-42 binos and love them for hunting.  My dad has 12x-50 and loves them just as much.  Neither of us have problems holding them steady, I actually use my spotter at 20x and just hold it against a tree or rock or my fourwheeler all the time for looking and it works fine for me.
You could buy a pair of Meopta 10x-42 and a Meopta spotter for cheaper or at least the same price as the Leica and have them both.  They honestly don't have anything on the Meopta's either.  I looked very closely at the Leica's when I bought my Meopta's and I thought the Meopta's were brighter and more comfortable to use.  I compared my Meopta spotter to a Leica once on the shooting range and it nothing on my Meopta spotter either, they have awesome optics.  The "big 3" are great but they are so over priced it is not even funny. 
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Originally posted by nmnewt nmnewt wrote:

We do alot of sitting and glassing from high vantage points. I was planning on using a tripod on anything over a 10X. I hunted with a guy from Arizona that used the 15 x 56 swaros for coues deer and was amazed at what you can see. That is the reason i was looking at this option. If I go with a 10X, would you perfer the 45 or a 50?
 
I just think if you're gonna lug around a tripod anyway, you might as well top it with a spotting scope, which will be a superior tool to the binos for super long distances due to the additional power.  And with the extra $ you save by buying an $800 class 8X42 or 10X42, you'll have money left over to buy a decent spotter for what one of those variable power binos cost.
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You have a good point. Thank you for your help.
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I would stay away from the Duovid, I wonder if it will stay collimated due to the complexity. 

I think 10x power is plenty. Leica 10x50 is magnificent optics, even better with Ultravid than Trinovid models.

10x42 is also very good... but 10x is definitely harder to hold than 8 power.

I can comfortably hold 8x indefnitely, but with 10x, you need to rest on a tree or something to get a good view. Worse, you get lesser Depth of Field, Field of View.  Worse yet, the increased shake cancels most of the improvements of 10x power.

The all around power is 8x42, I think. My choice would be 8.5x42 Swarovski, but in your case, and your climate, I would go for 10x50 Trinovid for the ulitimate in optics.
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