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I think its the first of the 280 just was renamed to 280 for some reason . the 7MM ex rem was in a 740 based rifle that I have seen. I was baffled as I had never ever heard of a 7mm express Remington until then, so I looked it up then.
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II have a friend who has one.
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yup have one in a  Steyer , got it in the 70's

saw remingtons at that time in 7 express, in any event the one you have is priced good.

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I think they only had that designation for about two years.  




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7mm Express is the same thing as .280 Remington. Remington originally called the cartridge 7mm Express when it was introduced, but due to terrible marketing on Big Green's part, confusion between it and the 7mm Rem Mag, and the US's general lukewarm reception toward "metric" calibers, Remington discontinued it for a short time. A few years later, they reintroduced it, but renamed it the .280 Remington and marketed it as a head to head competitor to the .270 rather than a little brother to the 7mm Rem Mag.

7mm Express = .280 Rem. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Actually, .280 came first, introduced in the late 50's.  It was changed to 7mm Express in 1979 to try to catch on with the 7mm crowd, but failed and was changed back to .280 Rem in 1981.  Other than that, no difference.  
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I gots me a 7mm Dakota... is that close enuff??? Cool
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Nope that's lots better!
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What Kickboxer said. That's how I remember it.

I was at a gunshow some years ago. Two Savage 99's on a table, side by side. At second glance, something odd. On closer examination, one was 30/06 the other 270Win. Those are the only two 'long action' 99's I've ever seen or heard of.
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I've only seen one… in 30-30, so I'm no help.  
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Didn't Remington also name that round a 7mm-06 at one point also ?
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Only by accident… they ran off a couple of lots of barrels with 7mm-06 on them by mistake.  Probably the death of the 7mm Express...
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the 7mm express was a concept term, as mentioned, was a marketing tool used by Rem. to take advantage of a concept that was going around at the time. Considerable gun magazine articles (remember those) were using terms like "heavies" DG rifles, and Cooper was all over place with his African stories.  The Express nomenclature was used on items other than rifles, to designate, something lighter easier to carry, but still the the whomp to do the job. Something different. The Steyr Luxus has a half stock, swing off scope mounts, a rotary magazine, and sling mount on the barrel, and iron sights, butter knife bolt handle and beautiful wood and weighs about 7 lb. an advance, more like a Kimber Mount. of today.

Remington only changed the name. same gun. as the 270, 30-06, etc.  

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99s in 270/30-06 is news to me.. and I have been a fan for a long long time. 
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

99s in 270/30-06 is news to me.. and I have been a fan for a long long time. 


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I called Savage a short while ago, and am referred (by recording) to company historian , Mr. John Callahan, of So. Hampton Mass, and am given only a snail mail address for contact. 

I will post a letter to him this evening. Perhaps he can confirrm or deny my abberations.
Hopefully he can respond by e-mail, and I will post his responce. 
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Did he right the Book.. Savage 99? or something like that?  I have that book, although I have not read every page.  I wasn't saying there isn't such a thing.. just that I hadn't heard of it.  Didn't mean to come off as a know it all/arrogant... but it does read that way a bit.
 
It would be cool.  I was told the 300 Savage is pretty close to the 30-06.  not sure how true that is though.
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With 150s it is in the 2500 fps range.  So a bit slower than the 06.  But still a good deer round and will do the job on elk.  Grandpa killed many deer and elk with his over the years
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Did he right the Book.. Savage 99? or something like that?  I have that book, although I have not read every page.  I wasn't saying there isn't such a thing.. just that I hadn't heard of it.  Didn't mean to come off as a know it all/arrogant... but it does read that way a bit.
 
It would be cool.  I was told the 300 Savage is pretty close to the 30-06.  not sure how true that is though.

If you have the book, then I'm sure their is attribution as to authorship. As to Mr. Callhan, you know , what I know; 'company historian'. Many old 'craft' companies have an historian, I was in the Camillus Cutlery (now defunct), some years ago,  and was introduced to a fellow in a wheel chair. IIRC, a Mr. Williams.\. (told a few days ago he has recently passed) He was in and out of the offices and spent a good bit of time on the production floor as well. 'Camillus' was in business for over a century. they kept archive stock of discontinued products, and 'arcive' parts for repair and restoration.  Not too generally known , they procuced knives for Buck , Case and a score of other names.  By contrast, it seems gun companies sell off their old parts to parts vendors.   

As to a 'long' '99'. I'm thinking that the longer bolt w/ that rear lock -up didn't have the necessary rigidity to give optimum operation/ longevity and accuracy. Just a guess. To my eye it is a falling block repeater.

Hopefully Mr. Callahan can shed some light on the issue. 

If I can, I will call Savage again, closer to regular business hours. I would like to get past the answering machine and talk to someone who has been w/ the company for a while.
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I have never heard of such a rifle in the 99. 

I know that Arthur Savage tried out the Model 99 ( or Model 95 ) for the US Military contract but I believe that was back before the 30-06 days. 

The 300 Savage is slightly slower than a 308.  The Army used the 300 Savage as a starting point for inspiration when they developed the 7.62 NATO in the late Forties...

The 300 Savage is a nice deer rifle.  
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No .270 or 30.06 in the 99 Savage. No long actions!
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