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As stated before, Winchester 1885 High Wall, .300 H&H Magnum, 28 inch barrel, 230 grain Berger Hybrid, right now using R-P brass, with 215 primers.  At 65 grains H4831, average velocity is 2607fps... Berger load data for 24 inch barrel says 2610fps for 63 grains H4831 (which they list as MAX load... however, others list 67grains as MAX and I"m seeing zero pressure signs).  Accuracy is great, precision is great.  In a step function, I moved up to 66.25 grains... Berger says .  2647 fps, still accurate and precise.  I think I'm going to move back to 65.0 grains and stay there.  


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I'm working on it... I'm slow.
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WHEN can you say you've EVER known me to "just fall asleep???"... hhmmmmmm???

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The velocity your getting seems reasonable to me. Berger is likely testing loads with a custom barrel and a more precise chrono than the average person has access to. I’ve compared my chronograph to other people’s and gotten as much as 150 FPS difference. To me, getting consistent velocity is more important than getting high velocity.
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The velocity your getting seems reasonable to me. Berger is likely testing loads with a custom barrel and a more precise chrono than the average person has access to. I’ve compared my chronograph to other people’s and gotten as much as 150 FPS difference. To me, getting consistent velocity is more important than getting high velocity.

I use two chronos... MagnetoSpeed and LabRadar... they are very close on everything else I've tried.  Big difference to me is 24 inch barrel (load data) vs 28 inch barrel (my rifle) with larger powder load.  Just not making sense to me right now.
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Originally posted by tejas tejas wrote:

The velocity your getting seems reasonable to me. Berger is likely testing loads with a custom barrel and a more precise chrono than the average person has access to. I’ve compared my chronograph to other people’s and gotten as much as 150 FPS difference. To me, getting consistent velocity is more important than getting high velocity.

Just tried 3 rounds (yes, I know, small set, but thunderstorm moving in) with the MagnetoSpeed at 65.5gr H4831.  2674, 2668, 2674.  ES 6, SD 2.45(approx, rounded up), under 1 MOA.  I can do better, I was in a hurry shooting because it was starting to rain.  However, I'm MUCH happier with what I'm seeing for velocity and spread... maybe I've not really broken in the barrel, yet...  
I'm going to drop the load back to 65.0 grains.  If accuracy is as good or better, I will stay there.  

Thank you for your advice... it's been great to make me spin the mental gears.  Truly appreciated.  I'll need more...


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Did some shooting with hand loaded .338 Lapua, 300gr Accubonds, 94gr Retumbo.  avg 2825 fps out of my 30 inch barrel (custom .338).  Last five rounds I fired from different positions, different angles, merely checking accuracy.  0.510 MOA at 100, measured center to center with an iGaging OriginCal American made digital caliper.  
However, I did not load these rounds... Brandon (BigDaddy) did.  All I did was reseat them at 3.60 inch COAL (Max for my magazines).  Moving around from shot to shot, using a Caldwell Deadshot Fieldpod stand for "stability" (it is good enough and provides some stability for hunting-type shooting... it is DEFINITELY NOT "benchrest quality"), I'm very pleased with the 0.510MOA 5-shot grouping.  
Thank you, Brandon... gives me a target accuracy to shoot for... get it???
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would have been bench-rest accuracy but you had to go and seat them in some. I understand why. try single loading 5 and do the same test and see if it changes any.. you know for testing reasons.


 what jump did you seat them into?

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Brando, the Caldwell Deadshot Fieldpod is not benchrest quality... it doesn't totally suck as a rest (actually better than I remember from the last time I used it) but is not exactly what one would define as "stable".  The ammo certainly is benchrest quality.  Under the conditions I subjected it to, I'm highly impressed.  Just think if I was shooting it "single shot" from a solid rest...


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I put handloading on "hold" for a bit.  I was about to start loading .378 Weatherby Magnum.  In the process of getting ready to start, I checked go/nogo on my custom Champlin in .378 Weatherby...  I contacted Weatherby and they said "freebore on that caliber and .460 Weatherby Magnum is 0.756.  Get a field gauge and check it... you are probably OK.  Weatherby Magnum rifles were designed to have some free bore travel."  So i ordered a field gauge from the best "builder" of such gauges I know of, Pacific Tool and Gauge... arrived today and I immediately checked the rifle out.  The bolt will not even begin to close, no movement at all.  Now, I have to measure the magazine (internal) to see what kind of space I have to work with from a magazine standpoint... I've already found that I can easily push a 270 grain Speer BTSP completely out of the case before touching the lands...  However, I was told that there is not likely to be much or any improvement loading out beyond SAAMI OAL spec.
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So many powders, so many projectiles, so many primers, so many cases, so many lengths, so many cleaners, so little TIME... and according to several highly respected hand loading pros, I can load .458 Lott for Ruger #1 to just about any velocity/energy/pressure I'm willing to withstand... that's almost the worst thing they could tell me...

Doesn't one just HAVE to know???
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Guess your going to find out how many shoulder rebuilds that will take....
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The great tree massacre of 2019 is forthcoming I predict
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That tree was defective...
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So THAT'S your story????
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and I'm stickin' to it...
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You'll never live that down KB.... NEVER!
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It is a shame I have bear... don't know what possessed me.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I put handloading on "hold" for a bit.  I was about to start loading .378 Weatherby Magnum.  In the process of getting ready to start, I checked go/nogo on my custom Champlin in .378 Weatherby...  I contacted Weatherby and they said "freebore on that caliber and .460 Weatherby Magnum is 0.756.  Get a field gauge and check it... you are probably OK.  Weatherby Magnum rifles were designed to have some free bore travel."  So i ordered a field gauge from the best "builder" of such gauges I know of, Pacific Tool and Gauge... arrived today and I immediately checked the rifle out.  The bolt will not even begin to close, no movement at all.  Now, I have to measure the magazine (internal) to see what kind of space I have to work with from a magazine standpoint... I've already found that I can easily push a 270 grain Speer BTSP completely out of the case before touching the lands...  However, I was told that there is not likely to be much or any improvement loading out beyond SAAMI OAL spec.


I’m not sure if this is still true on newer rifles in Weatherby caliber but it definitely applies to older ones. Weatherby factory ammo is loaded HOT. The bullet “jump” is by design to prevent a pressure spike that you’d get if the bullet was into the lands. When you start loading for that rifle, use a bullet that’s known for liking “jump” instead of “jam”. I’d experiment with a Barnes TSX or some other sold copper bullet. 
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Thank you.  I'll try that.

The Champlin is based upon an older Weatherby action.  
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Loading bench is coming along... bench top is finished, now just need the cabinets and drawers section. 






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Isn't that supposed to be Rock maple???  Actually that turned out quite nicely!

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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Isn't that supposed to be Rock maple???  Actually that turned out quite nicely!

Your not allowed to shoot it!!!!
That's for sure... I've already been SCOLDED for drilling some holes in it to mount reloading presses.  She said "If I had known you were going to do that, I would not have sanded it so smooth or polyurethaned it."

So far, I'm battin' a thousand(th).
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