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Wife and I are talking about purchasing two handguns for home protection.

One would be for my use, and one for her.

I am thinking .45 ACP in 1911.  Stopping power without being to hard to handle.

Please give me your best shot.Big%20Grin

Cartridge?
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Or???  I am open to all constructive input.

We go to the gun range as a family.  Have not practiced much with handguns.


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Problem with 1911s is you have to spend a lot of money to get one that is reliable as a Glock or XD. 

If you are okay spending alot, then a Wilson, Night Hawk, Ed Brown, Les Baer are some pretty good ones.  As far as production guns Kimber makes a pretty nice gun.  I have one of those and it works pretty well, but not as reliable as an XD or Glock.
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XD ??

Which cartridge for the Glock?

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Get the biggest caliber that you can handle well.  Handguns are all weak, so the bigger the better.  
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Get the biggest caliber that you can handle well.  Handguns are all weak, so the bigger the better.  
i wouldnt say that, from the .44 mag up they are nasty in my book the .500s&w will dislocate your shoulder if your not prepared, i sure as hell wouldnt want to get hit with that geo metro.
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As I said the biggest caliber you can handle well.  
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i agree, i wouldnt use any of those big sombitches for home defense, 10mm isnt a bad choice
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agreed, 10mm would be about the best you could get until you get into the magnums which are to much for most people. 
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a 10mm might be a little much for a female?? depending on the gun
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So far.

Glock
HK USP
Springfield XD

.45 ACP
10MM

I have shot the .45ACP.  How does 10MM compare?  How does stopping power compare?

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10mm would probably be superior to the .45 ACP.  They would be pretty close though. 

I would look to a .40 or a 9mm for the wife.  Some gals handle the .45 and 10mm just fine though, just depends upon their training.
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General Information:
Load No
Caliber
Grains/ Grams
Bullet Style
Brand
Use
P10HS1
10mm Auto
180 / 11.66
C45C
45 Auto
185 / 11.99

Ballistics Comparisons:
  Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
25 Y
50 Y
75 Y
100 Y
P10HS1
10mm Auto
1030
998
970
945
921
C45C
45 Auto
950
923
899
876
855

  Energy in Foot Pounds (To nearest 5 Foot Pounds)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
25 Y
50 Y
75 Y
100 Y
P10HS1
10mm Auto
424
398
376
357
339
C45C
45 Auto
371
350
332
315
300

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Those 3 handguns listed are probably the best out there as far as reliability and shootability.  I am all about the 1911's, nothing beats the feel of them, but can't justify $3000 to get a good one.
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We were shooting ballistic glass once with our precision rifle just to see what it would do.  When we were done we all pulled out our handguns and started shooting it.  The 9, .40, and .45 would just bounce off.  The 10mm was actually penetrating into the glass and sticking to it.  
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pyro6999, thank you for the .45ACP 10MM comparison.

supertool, thanks for your experience with 10mm.

This is very helpful, please keep info coming.

Of the brands mentioned, any particular models? 

Which brand(s)/ model for wife?  She is 5'1" tall.

Are these guns under $1000??

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Are these going to be carry guns?  If not and are just home guns, nix the handguns and get a shotgun or carbine.
 
9mm is just fine with some of the top names in hollow point ammo, shot placement is key.  10mm if you can find the ammo is a great round.  Staw away from .40S&W.  It's needlessly hard on guns and doesn't perform much better than 9mm.
 
All that said Glock 17/34 9mm (17 rounds), Glock 19 9mm (14-15 rounds), Sig 229 9mm (14-15 rounds), or Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm (14-15 rounds) for wife, and you.  If you are dead set on a .45ACP then a Smith & Wesson M&P45 (10 rounds) or the Springfield XD45 (13 rounds).  The Sig is the most expensive at around $700.00-900.00, the others are about $400.00-700.00. 
 
Those would be my suggestions.
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Home guns.

How does 9mm compare to .45ACP in knock down power at close range?

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Cencored What abunch of crap this thread has turned into and fast.
 
Get Her a Browning highpower and you do the same.  Don't worry about stopping power until you have all yours shot into the bottom of a pop can at  10 yards in a split second.  When you can do that then you can start adding power. You have to have a hit into the vital area damn fast. In pratical terms there is not that much power differance between a 9mm and a 45.  A short .45 only turns out 9mm numbers.  There is a differance between recoil and that is the differance between getting a good hit and a bad hit.
 
You need to hit the "tee." That's eyes to the spine with the heart mixed in.  No two people heart is in the exact same place; ask a heart Doctor.  That takes a certain amount of control. That means skill.  Skill means getting the muscles trained right the first time. To do that you need to get the recoil managed.
 
Start with a 9mm.  They are much easier to feed and have less recoil. The High power has a smaller grip and is a big favorite of women shooters.  Both of you having the same gun gives an edge. If you get something else latter ok. 
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I am an avid pistol shooter, IDPA, etc and have 1911's from various manufactures, Smith & Wesson and Ruger revolvers but the three that are most useful to me and the wife are a Glock 17 with Surefire light attached for home and my carry guns a Glock 23 with a LaserMax  carried in a Sparks VM2 IWB and my S&W 340 PD carried in a Mika pocket holster.

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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Cencored What abunch of crap this thread has turned into and fast.
 
Get Her a Browning highpower and you do the same.  Don't worry about stopping power until you have all yours shot into the bottom of a pop can at  10 yards in a split second.  When you can do that then you can start adding power. You have to have a hit into the vital area damn fast. In pratical terms there is not that much power differance between a 9mm and a 45.  A short .45 only turns out 9mm numbers.  There is a differance between recoil and that is the differance between getting a good hit and a bad hit.
 
You need to hit the "tee." That's eyes to the spine with the heart mixed in.  No two people heart is in the exact same place; ask a heart Doctor.  That takes a certain amount of control. That means skill.  Skill means getting the muscles trained right the first time. To do that you need to get the recoil managed.
 
Start with a 9mm.  They are much easier to feed and have less recoil. The High power has a smaller grip and is a big favorite of women shooters.  Both of you having the same gun gives an edge. If you get something else latter ok. 
 
+10000000000000000000000000000
 
Don't listen to that 9mm is not enough bullsh*t.  Hi Powers are great, Glocks are great, Smith & Wesson M&P's are great, Sigs are great, HK's are great but overpriced and their customer service sucks ass.  Go to a range where you can rent guns and try them all.  The one that you shoot the best is the one you should go with.
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I had a high power once.  Sold it not to long after.  I couldn't stand the hammer bite I got every time I pulled the trigger.  Got tired of having a bloodly hand all the time.  If they would put a factory beaver tail on them like on the 1911 it would make a world of difference.  I would consider it a decent gun at that point. 

It don't really matter what caliber you use they can all be shot just fine.  If your stance and the way you hold the gun allows you to manage and virtually eliminate the recoil from shot to shot then you can handle any of them.  I can put my .460 rowland conversion on my 1911 and shoot it just as fast.  If you are not holding it right then it will jump up in your hand every time.  If you are it hardly even moves regarless of the caliber. 

.40s are a good round.  I know several guys who have over 30,000 rounds out of there glock 22s and just replaced basic parts.  A well made gun will hold up to them just fine.  Glocks actually have less felt recoil over a lot of guns because of the angle of the grip.  THere is a huge difference between a glock 40. and the XD .40. 

The new XDM 9 is coming out soon that will hold 20 rounds in the mag.  That is pretty cool right there.  The 40 will hold 16.  


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Hey guys!...........What about that new .327 Federal round chambered in the smaller D/A Redhawk?? Suppose to have similar power as the 357 mag. One can buy 2 or 3 of those for one 1911!
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 IMHO nines have a place in a self defense system, like my Glock 17 (9mm +p's) with the Surefire light is a good night stand gun for my wife who doesn't like recoil. Sometimes I shoot IDPA with one of my 45 ACP 1911's but for carry I like to keep the weight down, it's either my G-23 (40 S&W) or my S&W 340 PD (357 Mag). Regarding the .327 Ruger I worry about ammo availability, 357 Mag ammo is readily available and the gun can also shoot 38 +p's.

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