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Was looking for a suitable topic to post my question under.  Hope this one was appropriate.  I've used the search function and found interesting info under rifle cartridges, but not much as far as handguns go.  I think I can justify the purchase of one handgun.  I'm alternating between a .357Mag, .45ACP, and a .40S&W  The question I pose is this:  If you could only have one gun (pistol/revolver) to cover all of it's potential uses (hunting/defense/target), which of the 3 named cartridges would you choose?  Feel free to substitute your own choice.  Thanks in advance.
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A 4", medium framed .357.
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.45acp
yes it sucks at hunting, but I've have the .357 and its ok for light hunting but excelles in flash, noise, and recoil.
 
BIG HINT: you can do two of the three very well, but not all three well in one gun.
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I'm not sure doing 2 well is possible, when given the range of solutions. handguns are more selective in their power and accuracy ranges than rifles, so generalizations are more difficult. even something as simple as target shootings has 4-5 choices, which type of target shooting?? as an example
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I would pic this gun.  http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=45916&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

It holds eight rounds of .357, you don't have to chase your brass and it has mounts for a tac light and a scope.  That is the next gun I am going to buy.  I think it is the coolest revolver I have seen or handled.
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Or you could always buy a 1911 and then add a .460 Rowland kit.  I have on and it is pretty sweet.  You can pretty much obtain 44mag velocities with it.
http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm
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I sometimes use a 1911, 357 Cliff, 45 mag case cut back to 26 mm and neck down to 357, in a 6 in. Barsto with an older wilson LE comp on it. 1800 fps, for 125 and 1600 for 150 grs. with 20 grs. of 296. , but the blast in more like a concussion. , This gun also has a standard 45 acp barrel and slide, If I had a 22lr conversion kit -- it could be the one, if limit to one gun-- if this counts.
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Thanks for the opinions/insights so far.  While there may not be just one that covers all the bases, one is all I can make an argument for.  As far as target goes, I was thinking more along the lines of range shooting with my son rather than competition shooting.  I've had my eye on a 6" Ruger GP100.  I figured it would be decent for hunting or shooting targets at close ranges, while being a little more handy than a rifle for something like home defense.  I've never shot a .357 sig.  I'll do some searching on that one. 
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As a general rule an automatic pistol is not going to be as powerful as a revolver round.  A .357 will blow away a 9 or 40.  And something like a 41mag or a 44mag will beat pretty much all automatic rounds with exception of a few specialty guns.  I think a .357 revolver is perfect for what you want.  and a ruger 100 is a great little gun.
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look at the 8 shot taurus on the larger frame in six in, and the mod. 28 and mod 27. a better buy than the rugers.
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The Ruger's point funny and often the trigger is not so hot.  Try the 686 Smith instead and you will see why most people race with them.
 
The Auto loader is often much flater to carry, so it conceals much better.  There is not the gap at the cylinder to cause extra flash.  More of the power gets burned.  There is more effort in flash suppresion in auto loads.  Start shooting in a tight room, because of danger and it makes a differance. 
 
 
 The auto has fewer tight fitting parts.  The auto is easier to clean.  The Auto needs less cleaning.  Most autos don't need special tools to field strip.  The US Navy does what is called the "surf" test where they take a big "box", well a water tank that is mounted like a see-saw and rocks back and forth.  They throw some guns, water softener salt, sand, gravel, coral and fill with water and then let stuff "surf" over night or longer. 
 
 Revovlers do not like this test as sand and grit get into the lock work.  You then need to pull the side plate on the Smiths, that takes some TLC.  I've seen revovlers lock up in as little as 250 rounds on the range from unburned powder in the lock. 
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I'll disagree a little with Dale on the model's 27 and 28.  They are nice guns, the also have the N frame that I can not make work DA for me no matter how thin the grips.  Also the same reason I do not have Python.  It is how far the backstrap is from the trigger and my short fingers.  I like the L-frames better.
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I used a modified M28 for PPC many years. It is not small but with the right grips is excellent for hunting, target and carry under heavy clothing. If you get a K/L framed gun you can carry IWB under a T shirt with a holster like the Alessi Hideout.

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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

I'll disagree a little with Dale on the model's 27 and 28.  They are nice guns, the also have the N frame that I can not make work DA for me no matter how thin the grips.  Also the same reason I do not have Python.  It is how far the backstrap is from the trigger and my short fingers.  I like the L-frames better.
 
L frames are my choice these days. Rugers are nice but they are bulky because of the low modulus of castings. They also have a better lock up. What the Smith gives you is less bulk and generally better triggers. The K/L also fits the average hand much better than the N frame with most grips. They are a natural pointer for me.
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Either the Ruger or the Smith in the double action revolvers are excellent choices! Then, it becomes a matter of your own personal preferences as to size or barrel lengths!...............To cover all the basis, for personal defense, plinkin and hunting, the 44 caliber IMO, will give you the best versatility! With any 44 magnum revolver, you can use the much less powerful 44 Specials for defense and plinking and on the other hand have the capability & stopping power in the same gun for anything you wish to hunt with a handgun! You also have a tremendous amount of reloading power versatility with the 44 caliber. The 357/38 spl. combo is a good choice, but I would prefer the 44 caliber for a hunting cartridge!!.....................Check out Ruger`s new 44 mag. in the 4" barreled Redhawk. It`s a dandy and makes for a great sidearm too!! If you wish to use a scope on your handgun, then the 7 1/2" barreled Redhawk in the 44 mag. is an excellent choice or a comparable Smith!     
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tahqua and pyro6999 nailed the answer to this question at the very beginning.  A 4-inch medium frame .357 is your best choice for a "first handgun".   As to other issues:
 
1.  Defense work is the major reason for owning a handgun.  The .357 ranks tight up there at the top in terms of stopping power.  You will find the 6" barrel is just a little too long to be convenient if you plan to take it anywhere except to the range or the field.  There's a reason cops used the 4"---the holstered gun doesn't gouge you in the ribs (or push up from the seat) when you sit down.
 
2.  Target work - This is for fun, to help you become familiar with the gun, and to improve your skills.  A good .357 will shoot the x-ring right out of the target if you do your part.  The .38 special bullet is easily reloaded, and very accurate in a good .357.  The case will last unbelievably long with mild loads.
 
3.  Hunting - Hunting with a handgun is only appropriate when you reach the more advanced skill levels.   A .357 magnum is a little on the light side for hunting.  A .44 magnum seems to be one of the very best choices.  (For target work, though, a .44 special bullet will weigh roughly half again what a .38 special bullet does, and the recoil will go up accordingly.)
 
A .357 is a great way to get into handgunning.  Get one you really like, and enjoy it!  If you really like handguns, you will probably find that you need (1) a carry gun; (2) a target pistol (Ruger's .22 auto is one of several good choices); and (3) a hunting gun (.44 magnum or up), or maybe several of each!  You will still love your .357, even when you have the others.   
 
 
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Originally posted by Longhunter Longhunter wrote:

or maybe several of each! 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Either the Ruger or the Smith in the double action revolvers are excellent choices! Then, it becomes a matter of your own personal preferences as to size or barrel lengths!...............To cover all the basis, for personal defense, plinkin and hunting, the 44 caliber IMO, will give you the best versatility! With any 44 magnum revolver, you can use the much less powerful 44 Specials for defense and plinking and on the other hand have the capability & stopping power in the same gun for anything you wish to hunt with a handgun! You also have a tremendous amount of reloading power versatility with the 44 caliber. The 357/38 spl. combo is a good choice, but I would prefer the 44 caliber for a hunting cartridge!!.....................Check out Ruger`s new 44 mag. in the 4" barreled Redhawk. It`s a dandy and makes for a great sidearm too!! If you wish to use a scope on your handgun, then the 7 1/2" barreled Redhawk in the 44 mag. is an excellent choice or a comparable Smith!     
 
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Man I hear all da brothers talk about they BIG .44 this, and they Big .44 that...  How come I don't see no .44 Readhawk with a scope in da MILT SPARKS IWB section?  What's you packin' in town cuz?Vato
 
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Silver...................Not too sure about what you be a askin me bro!!! Is there a Ruger Redhawk that you can mount a scope on??? Was that it??.....YES! There is!!!
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Silver...................Not too sure about what you be a askin me bro!!! Is there a Ruger Redhawk that you can mount a scope on??? Was that it??.....YES! There is!!!
 
Is there a way to carry one concealed.  I mean on Walbash Ave Chicago Il concealed.
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NOPE!!!!.............Lets see here!!! Wouldn`t it be nice to have a handgun for self defense, plinkin, powerful enough for hunting and small enough so that it can be easily concealed without detection too???..............Sorry boys! There will be a compromise somewhere! Can`t have it all.....................LocoLocoLocoLocoLoco 
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