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I was wondering how you guys out there protect your investment of thousands and thousands of dollars invested in your gun collections from theft.  Do you take any special precautions other than a gun safe.  The reason I ask is because I know of a law enforcement officer who had his gun safe that was bolted to the floor in his garage stolen recently.  I always thought a gun safe bolted to the floor was a pretty good measure of security.  I was told that the thieves probably got the safe out from the garage in less than 10 minutes.  That's a pretty scary thought!!  Anybody got any additional security features than hiding the safe or bolting it to the floor.  How about an alarm of some type?  Obvisouly, I'm not looking for anybody to divulge any top secrets but how about something else to consider in my gun security measures.
 
On the same topic, does anybody know how long it would take a thief to break into a top quality safe if given the time and opportunity to do so.  This has now got me wondering how secure my Cannon safe is if thieves got to it.
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Jeez- mine weighs almost a 1000lb.s ... good luck getting past the alarm, getting it up the stairs, and past the dog ( and me) ..
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the only free standing safe I have has 4 12" bolts into the concrete slab, it ain't moving.

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For us guys on the west coast we dont have basements and the luxury to store them downstairs so the safes are probably in our garages or houses.   I was suprised to find how easy it was for me and my son to move my 700 pound Cannon safe around in the garage.  You got to remember a theif doesnt care about banging it up like we owners do so they dont have to be careful and can just go to town on it.  It like anything, if you give somebody a long enough time they will get the job done.  My question is how long do you think it would take. 

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mines in a bedroom, the slab i poured under the floor in the crawlspace. 
Even if you put long bolts on teh other side put as big as you can find of washers or a metal plate where you bolt it to.   My grandpas old safe was screwed into the wallstuds in his closet, he used about 100 4"deck screws and it would have tore the house down to try to move it without unscrewing it.
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Being in the garage, all they had to do was wrap a chain around the top 6 to 12" and any good sized truck would pull or break the bolts. The harder you make it for them to remove the less appealing it is to bother. Being in the house where they would pretty much have to pull it thru the wall helps discourage a snatch and ride. Then if they are determined to hit you they have to try to beat the locks. If they have someone experienced with that particular safe it limits the amount of time needed but, giving you a time estimate is not so easy. I expect if the in house break was planned they would allow for atleast an hour or more. Your best defense is being real careful who knows what you have. Then if you have it in the house have it in a room that can offer a primary defense. Either a hidden location that is very hard to pick out or a steel door entry and no other way in or out or both. The primary entry should have two or more lock systems and be over done in it wall mounting. The more time you add to their planning the less appealing your properity is. Alarms are a given, if you don't have an alarm you've given them a great head start. But most alarms these days are beatable and the high end theives know how to disable them. The next big defense you have to prepare for is the confrontational theives. They will simply hit when the can get the upper hand on you and make you open everything for them. Video cameras (real or fake), motion lights and alarm signs set around the house and yard help discourage them. There are many other things you can do but, keeping what you have out of everyones knowledge is the first step if possible.
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 The one safe I have now is over 700lbs and it is not bolted down, the one coming in the next week or so also will not get bolted down. Reason  in order to get it in or out for that matter I have to remove the entry door and casing. Also I do have a bigger dog and 2 very nosey neighbors that don't miss a thing. One of them doesn't even go to the mail box without his 40 on, and with me home 95% of the time now I'm not to worried about it.
 One big mistake I have seen people do is put their safes in the same room as their tools, might as well give them the combo.
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I really prefer a mercury switch and a series of claymore mines.
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I don't recommend the garage!
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I really prefer a mercury switch and a series of claymore mines.
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Mine is inside a purpose built closet so only the safe door is showing when the closet door is open.No sides of the safe are accessable and she's bolted to the floor and 3 walls.
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Well the reason I even ask is because mine is bolted down to the garage floor.  I don't have the ability to store it inside the house.  I do have a house alarm but that's not gunna do no good if somebody comes in through the car garage door and hooks up a chain and draws if out from the bolt mounts.  Im seriously considering calling my alarm company and have them install some type of a alarm contact switch to the safe and have it hot at all times in case this very sitaution does occur.  I know it sounds like paranoia but who wants to chance losing a lifetime collection of firearms.   

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Anything can be taken by pros what safes do is keep the neighbors teenagers out of it.  We had some burglaries down the street a few months ago where they entered the houses  through unlocked doors and open garages while people were asleep and took wallets and purses small items.   Keep dogs the bigger the better.

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In Australia, we have to keep all our guns in safes. If the safe weighs less that 150kgs we have to have it bolted down.
 
It still doesn't stop them being stolen.
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MY dealer opens them after a fire with a concrete saw that has a metal cutting blade. Takes about as long as opening a can of beans with a can opener. Cut shallow without penetrating the sheetrock insulation to keep from damaging whats inside the safe. Mig it back up grind it smooth Coat of paint and it good as new. Well there is a little more work to make it look nice,
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Originally posted by nightranger nightranger wrote:

Well the reason I even ask is because mine is bolted down to the garage floor.  I don't have the ability to store it inside the house.  I do have a house alarm but that's not gunna do no good if somebody comes in through the car garage door and hooks up a chain and draws if out from the bolt mounts.  Im seriously considering calling my alarm company and have them install some type of a alarm contact switch to the safe and have it hot at all times in case this very sitaution does occur.  I know it sounds like paranoia but who wants to chance losing a lifetime collection of firearms.   

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Its not Paranoia. These days your best to do as much as you can afford. With jobs droping every day we will likely all have to circle our wagons to keep whats ours.
There are things you can do to make a snatch and run just about impossible. You can bolt two or four 3" steel polls to the floor around the safe and let the polls extend above the ceiling joist and weld a 2x2 angle frame around the top securing everything to the joist. Make sure the polls are tight against the safe to prevent a cable or chain from being worked between them. Use 6"x 3/4" WRAL studs to bolt them to the floor. It is some over kill but, thats the point. That they are never necessary because no one in a hurry would give it a second thought. Waaay to much trouble to steal. Two stalks of schedual 40- 3" pipe (cut in half for 4- 10' polls) would cost around 250.00 and 10' of 2x2 angle is around 20.00 plus 8 drive studs at 20.00 or less. So for under 300.00 you can have some real peace of mind. And if you have a salvage yard near by you can cut the cost a bunch. What ever you do, Good Luck!
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I had my home broken into and my guns stolen. Unlike most of the guys who got hit, I got most of mine back when they caught the guys. "punk worked for a deer processing place locally and hit people who had animals done as they knew firearms would be there"

I was able to get mine back because despite the guy grinding off  the serial numbers, I had removed the stocks on mine and have the last 4 digits of my SS number engraved where they connect. "I provided that information along with the numbers when I filed the police report"  Luckily the guy wasn't pawning them, he was selling them to his buddies and most of mine had yet to sell. He hit over 20 people before he got caught. "guy had a motion activated game camera mounted in a bird house and had pics of the punk and his truck.... gotta love bird watchers" 

My guns were in a glass front old school display case that wasn't even locked and he still busted the glass out. I now have a gun safe, a bird house, and a game camera. My contents policy on my homeowners does cover guns. A lot do not cover firearms, so it's always good to make sure.

I was wondering if anyone had micro-chipped their guns? I have my dog chipped and I'm pretty sure it would be easy enough to drill into the stock and put the same type of chip in it. As for keeping a pro from getting your stuff, I agree with Imaginaryfriend, dogs are good.
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Bolt it to the floor
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My safe is a Liberty that weighs 800 lbs empty. It currently holds 28 long arms and 4 pistols . As for breaking in to it, a good 4 1/2"Metabo cutter will take the top off most any safe in about 5 minutes.

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In response to an earlier post about protecting our guns with a gun safe.   I just had my alarm company install a new device on my gun safe.  It is called an "asset protector" and it is made by Honeywell.  The device allows three different programing options.  Option 1 is a standard plunger function.  Option 2 is a vibration function.  Option 3 is a movement function.  I chose Option 3.  This option allows a sensor mounted on the safe.  The sensor is wireless is always active regardless whether or not you have the alarm safe set or not.  The sensor can be programed to allow an alarm activation if the safe is move anywhere from 1 to 3 feet.  So if the badguy hooks up a chain to my safe in the garage and drags it out from the mounted bolts in the floor, the alarm will activate once the safe is moved 1 foot.  This is awesome and now a big relief and piece of mind.  The sensor is about $200.00 and of course has to be compatable with your existing alarm system.  This is definately the way to go for that extra piece of security some of us are looking for.
 

5870API Asset Protection

Honeywell’s 5870API is a wireless asset protection device designed to guard against theft. It easily affixes to any valuable requiring protection within a home or business, including paintings, flat screens and other electronics, family heirlooms, safes, machinery, equipment and more.

The 5870API is an ideal solution for early warning notification or alarm verification. The 5870API uses patented Micro-Electro-Mechanical System (MEMS) Accelerometer technology, which senses acceleration in the X and Y axis. When affixed to the protected asset, the device will trigger a “detect” if an attempt is made to move or disturb the asset.

The 5870API is intended for use with Honeywell alarm systems that support 5800 Series wireless devices. The transmitter is fully supervised and can send alarm, tamper, trouble and low battery conditions to the alarm control panel.

What is Asset Protection?
Asset protection is a focused security solution designed to protect specific, tangible assets. Usually these assets are things that people consider valuable, have a high probability of theft or should not be tampered with. The 5870API continues to provide protection even when the panel is disarmed—letting dealers protect against burglary and theft at the same time.

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