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Well, I am finally at that point were I need a gun safe. 
 
General needs are:
I live within the city, so I am not really sure how much fire rating I will need.
It will hold camera and computer components as well.
A bow will need to fit in  
Few rifles
Few pistols 
Ammo
Important documents
I love the idea of the six foot tall safes but I'm not sure its practicle.
Brand doesn't matter
Locally, there is a big box sports/ hunting store that sells Brownings and their Yukon line. There are a few locksmiths companies that sell AMSEC, Liberty.  There is a Sams Club and Costco that you could order from online and have it shipped here.
  
 
I would love to hear your guys thoughts on what you have used or currently using, also any helpful recommendations you guys have. 
 
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IMHO buying from a dealer is better for a large safe with a sophisticated locking system.
Although more expensive in cost you will get better service if there is a problem with the locking system and having the dealer do a proper installation makes sure you will fewer problems over the long haul.
Cheap locks will result in no end of headaches...not being able to close or get in.
Calling  the company and being told "sure ship it back and we will fix it for free" is not what you want to hear concerning a 400 ibs. safe.
Steam and pollutants from the fire are the killers for anything inside, "SWAT" magazine had an article on this and either "Handloader" or "Rifle" also.
They recommend a sealant that expands when heated and keeps out corrosive steam and chemicals.
I have bought and had installed two large safes fairly recently but DO NOT claim to be an expert, merely a consumer.
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Art,

Thanks for the reply...  Just out of curiosity what brand of safe(s) did you end up with? 
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@WitsEnd if there was ever a case for bigger is better its in gun safes. I have a Browning Gold that is nice just wish it was bigger ! Try to go at least one size larger than what you decide on.justsayin
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Also check warranties, and look for the best that covers everything. Even the best name locks can fail, and a safe is no guarantee that a thief can't get in it.
If your storing documents in it, then you need fire a good fire rating; I don't care if you live next door to a firehouse.
Also get a much bigger safe than you think you will ever need, because you will need it.
Think about where your going to put it, and how your going to get it there; good safes aint lite or easy to move. You also want to keep it out of view, it's not a piece of furniture, and you don't want ANYBODY looking over your shoulder as your working the combination.
Check with locksmiths that sell and/or service safes and warranties if you can, and get their opinion.
May seem like a lot to consider, but consider the value of the items your putting in it. If it's a couple of guns you want to keep out of your kids' hands, then a Walmart safe might do. If it's a priceless collection of something that may fund your retirement, then you might want to consider something else. 
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I have a Browning as well and it's servered me faithfully the past 20 years. Like coyote95 and beltfed said, buy big, you may not think you need it now but in time you may be happy you did. Wish someone had given me this small bit of advise way back when.
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I can tell you this...I bought mine back in the 80's. Best investment I ever made. Take the advice offered here...bigger IS better. Good luck. 
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The whole listing that it will fit 20 or 30 guns or whatever is crap too. Mine says it will hold 36 and there is no way i could fit 36 guns in it. U start putting ars and scoped rifles in them they take up alot of room
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So true!!
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I am actually looking to get a bigger safe now.  I've been just buying another one and adding them side by side for years.  Its ok for the gun room but I also keep one that in a more convient location to go in and out of regularly.  Current safe that gets used often says it holds 36 like ST's it filled with about 15-20 with no room to spare.  I'd like to get a big liberty but right now I'd have to cut a hole in the house to fit it in..... wife's not up for that. 

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Originally posted by gulf1263 gulf1263 wrote:


They recommend a sealant that expands when heated and keeps out corrosive steam and chemicals.
I have bought and had installed two large safes fairly recently but DO NOT claim to be an expert, merely a consumer.
Art


What kind of sealant is this?  Can you post links please.  Thanks
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Supertool73, the only place I have found any information on this is:  www.6mmbr.com/gunsafes.html 

They also have a water sealant gasket for certain safes that are in the flood zone.

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No matter what the fire rating be sure the door shuts tight. A friend bought a one that boasted a 4hr fire rate but you can pull the door almost a quarter inch when its locked up. There is no way that safe will protect from fire/steam/moisture. He called them and they said that was normal for that model. Regardless of size, pay cheap get cheap. If possible try before you buy!!  
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I'm not a fan of the concealed hinge safes. Over time, the bushings will wear and the door will sag.
The big exposed hinges also give the thieves something futile to try to work against, as the locking bolts will prevent entry regardless if hinges are in place.
If you can locate your safe in such a way as to be difficult to access with power tools, so much the better. Make sure the safe is bolted to floors/walls, etc.
My next house will have a fire- hardened room/closet  in which to place safes.
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If you are near a Tractor Supply store, they offer a Winchester safe for about $700 which is about the best in it's price class.

On another note- getting safes up and down any kind of stairs is a complete PITA.
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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

I'm not a fan of the concealed hinge safes. Over time, the bushings will wear and the door will sag.
The big exposed hinges also give the thieves something futile to try to work against, as the locking bolts will prevent entry regardless if hinges are in place.
If you can locate your safe in such a way as to be difficult to access with power tools, so much the better. Make sure the safe is bolted to floors/walls, etc.
My next house will have a fire- hardened room/closet  in which to place safes.

what are you doing, riding the door with an elephant???  I don't know though, I've only had mine for 14 years with no sag... how long does it take???
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KB said:
"what are you doing, riding the door with an elephant???  I don't know though, I've only had mine for 14 years with no sag... how long does it take???"
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No personal experience with safe door sagginess- that was on the advice of a guy I know who fixes safes- what do I know?
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Whether true or not I have been told by various locksmiths that many of the safes are made in China.
I some the case is made in China, US made components are put in, again I am no expert on this.
The low end safes like the Winchester, et al use cheaper components to keep the price down, especially the locks.
I have two American Security Products, one US and one Chinese, both installed by locksmith and have had very few problems, all solved by the locksmith.
What I really need size wise is to turn half of my house into a safe...bigger, much bigger, is better.
I can not find the name of the gasket sealing, door sealing compound, magazines are put away and I don't have them handy.
I think the article in "Handloader/Rifle" was by Brian Pierce, don't remember who wrote the article in "SWAT".
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Thanks Alan.
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Keep in mind the idea that there may come a day when you need to move the safe. Second floor installations may go fine initally, but plan ahead for an uncertain future. Ask if the door is removable (that makes them lighter) (secondly the door alone can be transported to a locksmith to re set the combo in case you do something stupid like giving your girl the combo).  Stay away from electronic locking systems.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Keep in mind the idea that there may come a day when you need to move the safe. Second floor installations may go fine initally, but plan ahead for an uncertain future. Ask if the door is removable (that makes them lighter) (secondly the door alone can be transported to a locksmith to re set the combo in case you do something stupid like giving your girl the combo).  Stay away from electronic locking systems.

Disagree... DoD has been using electronic locking systems for highly classified material since the 80's with outstanding results.  Works for guns as well...
My observation is that some people cannot make the "technology transition"...  it IS different than a mechanical locking system...
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Keep in mind the idea that there may come a day when you need to move the safe. Second floor installations may go fine initally, but plan ahead for an uncertain future. Ask if the door is removable (that makes them lighter) (secondly the door alone can be transported to a locksmith to re set the combo in case you do something stupid like giving your girl the combo).  Stay away from electronic locking systems.

Disagree... DoD has been using electronic locking systems for highly classified material since the 80's with outstanding results.  Works for guns as well...
My observation is that some people cannot make the "technology transition"...  it IS different than a mechanical locking system...  You're just toooooooo old, Wes...
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I agree.

One can upgrade the digital lock to a commercial-grade lock, such as the LaGard "SafeGard".
Banks and others use them when they need to get in and out multiple times a day.
 
Oh, I agree again with your double post.
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