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I have been considering for quite sometime the need for a daily column on gun control and related issues.  With the 2008 elections around the corner, this would be an educational column for the readers and myself as to where candidates really stand.  Frequently candidates post votes on certain bills, either for or against, that reflect some degree of gun control because of attached articles and they are then labled as anti-gun candidates.  So voting on a bill can be somewhat difficult.  In my opinion, a better choice would be to abstain from voting on a bill that would forward gun control.  But, I am not a US senator or congressman.  The following link is a good run down on where candidates stand on gun control, including their voting records and comments they have made about control.  It is a useful starting point to see where your candidate stands.  http://www.issues2000.org/Gun_Control.htm.

 

The other topic of the day, has to do with the good guys and the bad guys.  In this case the bad girl and I use that term quite liberally, Rosie O'Donnell.  As a person who believes she is quite regnant, much to her disbelief this is not true, she has been spouting unbelievable postulates regarding conspiracy theories regarding 911 and the Bush administration.  As much as this is ridiculous and does not merit any further attention, it is her anti-gun stance in combination with the latest of her schizophrenic ramblings that is bothersome.  She has included into her symbiotic pack of schizophrenics, Woody Harrelson, Ed Asner, Charlie Sheen and James Brolin.  Now we really do not care what a celebrity thinks or believes in general.  The problem is how they affect the general, uneducated population, the movie making industry who makes movie like Fahrenheit 9/11 and Syriana (which further brain washes the public) and just as importantly, they donate to Presidental candidates and affect their position.  Think about these things.  I have not watched either of those movies, I refuse for obvious reasons.  If Rosie comes on the tv, I change the channel.  I will not support any of the above noted individuals.  So, Rosie is our first bad guy, that is girl (and as I said, I use that term liberally and we all know why), of the day.  I want to give credit to Ben Shapiro, as much of this information was taken from a column he wrote (not sure of the the date or what publication, but was taken from a group publication).    

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As much as I agree with your emotional response to not watching those movies I would still encourage you to do so (not on the big screen 'cause we don't need to add money to their coffers).  It can be useful to view them to better understand the message/strategies they are trying to feed the public.  Remember that old adage about "keeping your enemies closer".

 

Agree that most of those "celebrities" are bone heads but some of them sure have big followings.  Apart from the NRA I am not aware of other large organisations who support our causes.  In Ontario we have the Federation of Anglers & Hunters but it is not organised to the same degree and is not country wide.  We sure need all the help we can get!

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Misc. thoughts

 

1) read everything by James Carville.  Start with "Take It Back" and work your way through the rest of it.

 

2)Rosie is symptom of the problem (Tail gunner Joe was right after all).

 

3) congress and the your local state house need to be the focus for 08

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Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

  In Ontario we have the Federation of Anglers & Hunters but it is not organised to the same degree and is not country wide.  We sure need all the help we can get!


When the Canadian government passed their gun laws many on our side of the border wanted to boycott Canadian hunts. Most have woken up and realize we are all in this together and support Canadian outfitters. They need all the help they can get. From my experience in Canadian camps, we are all pretty much the same in what we love.
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James Carville is a first rate communist and I would have a hard time reading anything he has to say.  I have followed him for quite awhile, but his view wreak of socialism, if not out right communism.  Is is completely intolerant of even listening to another viewpoint.  I know it is good to see what the enemy has to say, but he is so far off, that it is not even helpful to listen to him.  Speaking of communism, everyone on this site should read the Venona papers and learn the Joe McCarthy was 100% correct and that everyone on his list was a communist.  You can go to the NSA Venona papers to get their version of the wire tapes and interviews with single agent and double agent spies.  Communism is still alive in this country and is playing a big part in the attempt to implement gun control, hence the reason for knowing the history of the party.

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The bad guy of the day, is a bad girl again, Carolyn McCarthy, US Representative from California who introduced HR 1022.  The bill bans the purchase of all assault type weaspons, which interestingly includes the Ruger Mini 14.  I have included a link to the bill, because I believe it is important for everyone to read it to see exactly what it says, even though there is nothing good.  http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022.  A little history on Rep. McCarthy.  She was born in Brooklyn, NY and actually was a licensed practical nurse.  Her initial political affiliation was Republican, but 6 years after being elected as a US Reprentative from NY, she switched to the Democratic party.  This change occurred in 1993 and was temporaly related to an event that parallels her advocacy for gun control.  Her husband and son were shot to death by a gunman on a Long Island railroad train, with a total of 6 dead and 19 injured, in 1993.  Since then, she has become one of the most vocal and stronges advocates for gun control in Congress and the country.  Now to the crux of the matter.  Rep. McCarthy and her gun control group are completely illeterate on guns and what makes one different from another and what they are used for.  I have video link demonstrating Rep. McCarthy's complete ignorance:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U.  In addition, she goes on to say in this link, that the "criminal" used against, I believe she said the police.  Criminals, interesting, they are they ones who will be able to get these guns, once they are banned from law abiding citizens.  At any rate, this is not the point of this post, as we all know, than gun control does not decrease gun violence.  I was watching the McGlaughlin group yesterday and of course the topic of conversation, was the Va. Tech. shootings and gun control.  One of the liberals, Eleanor Clift made a statement to the effect, why would anyone need to have guns like the shooter that are only meant for killing people.  Again, complete ignorance and stupidity displayed on national tv.  I guess she has never heard of target shooting, competition shooting or hunting with pistols, not to mention the basic right to buy one, just because you want to own one.  Incredible.  Of course the conservatives on the panel, primarily a fellow named Tony Blankely who is anti-gun control, made excellent points, but were lost due to Clift's inert ramblings.  I would strongly encourage all to e-mail or write their local US Rep. and let them know that this bill will only hurt the law abiding citizens of this great country.
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Looks like we could use another actor as our president.

Fred Thompson speaks out on VT at the National Review. Sorry the link won't post.

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One of the things that's got to be going through a lot of peoples' minds now is how one man with two handguns, that he had to reload time and time again, could go from classroom to classroom on the Virginia Tech campus without being stopped. Much of the answer can be found in policies put in place by the university itself.

Virginia, like 39 other states, allows citizens with training and legal permits to carry concealed weapons. That means that Virginians regularly sit in movie theaters and eat in restaurants among armed citizens. They walk, joke, and rub shoulders everyday with people who responsibly carry firearms — and are far safer than they would be in San Francisco, Oakland, Detroit, Chicago, New York City, or Washington, D.C., where such permits are difficult or impossible to obtain.

The statistics are clear. Communities that recognize and grant Second Amendment rights to responsible adults have a significantly lower incidence of violent crime than those that do not. More to the point, incarcerated criminals tell criminologists that they consider local gun laws when they decide what sort of crime they will commit, and where they will do so.

Still, there are a lot of people who are just offended by the notion that people can carry guns around. They view everybody, or at least many of us, as potential murderers prevented only by the lack of a convenient weapon. Virginia Tech administrators overrode Virginia state law and threatened to expel or fire anybody who brings a weapon onto campus.

In recent years, however, armed Americans — not on-duty police officers — have successfully prevented a number of attempted mass murders. Evidence from Israel, where many teachers have weapons and have stopped serious terror attacks, has been documented. Supporting, though contrary, evidence from Great Britain, where strict gun controls have led to violent crime rates far higher than ours, is also common knowledge.

So Virginians asked their legislators to change the university's "concealed carry" policy to exempt people 21 years of age or older who have passed background checks and taken training classes. The university, however, lobbied against that bill, and a top administrator subsequently praised the legislature for blocking the measure.

The logic behind this attitude baffles me, but I suspect it has to do with a basic difference in worldviews. Some people think that power should exist only at the top, and everybody else should rely on "the authorities" for protection.

Despite such attitudes, average Americans have always made up the front line against crime. Through programs like Neighborhood Watch and Amber Alert, we are stopping and catching criminals daily. Normal people tackled "shoe bomber" Richard Reid as he was trying to blow up an airliner. It was a truck driver who found the D.C. snipers. Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that civilians use firearms to prevent at least a half million crimes annually.

When people capable of performing acts of heroism are discouraged or denied the opportunity, our society is all the poorer. And from the selfless examples of the passengers on Flight 93 on 9/11 to Virginia Tech professor Liviu Librescu, a Holocaust survivor who sacrificed himself to save his students earlier this week, we know what extraordinary acts of heroism ordinary citizens are capable of.

Many other universities have been swayed by an anti-gun, anti-self defense ideology. I respect their right to hold those views, but I challenge their decision to deny Americans the right to protect themselves on their campuses — and then proudly advertise that fact to any and all.

Whenever I've seen one of those "Gun-free Zone" signs, especially outside of a school filled with our youngest and most vulnerable citizens, I've always wondered exactly who these signs are directed at. Obviously, they don't mean much to the sort of man who murdered 32 people just a few days ago.

— Fred Thompson is an actor and former United States senator from Tennessee.

 

 



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Well said Tahqua, excellent points.  Fred Thompson is a fine man and it would not be bad to have another actor like Ronald Reagan stand up for this country, as opposed to a lawyer, who, by the way is a member of the David Rockfeller foundation, as is John Kerry and Bill Clinton.  Go to their website and see what kind of bull that they are pushing.  Rumors, or rather facts, have it, that alot of the orders, come from this organization to the presidents.  Regardless, two other candidates to consider are Duncan Hunter, a Republican US Rep. from California, rated A+ by the NRA and Michael Peroutka, a

third party candidate who is very anti-gun control and very conservative.  However, as we all know, a vote for him, would take a vote away from the mainsteam republican candidate, because, I can guarantee, the democratic candidate, will be pro-gun control

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Tahqua, I hope you watched the video of Carolyn McCarthy making an ass out of herself.
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Duncan Hunter is a   - true  -  hunter.  http://www.gohunter08.com/ 

 

McCain and Guliani are anti - gun. And it's fairly obvious where Hillary stands. Anyone think Obama is a sportsman?

 

Dont let anyone fool you - the Republican  Primaries and follo wing election is about whether or not you will be able to own firearms and enjoy the form of government we have today.  The minute there is an anti gun politicial in the White House who wont veto extreme gun control measures there will be a hundred million gun owners in this country in trouble with the law, and every firearms related business will be going out of business or dealing only with government entities. 

 

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i like the sound of a guy who's name contains hunter in it like mine, running for pres
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Well, today we truly have a bad guy and this is one of the worst.  George Soros.  Bill.ionaire, financier, who has spent million promoting anti-gun laws across the world.  He is truly a narcisist who believes the US should run according to his rules and no one else's and that means George Bush.  He donated probably close to 15 to 20 million dollars trying to prevent his re-election in 2004.  In 1996, he spent tons of money to influence the vote in Brazil to ban all firearms.  Fortunately, despite the fact that only a small percentage of citizens in Brazil owned firearms at that time, the referendum was unamiously voted down, much to the dismay of Soros and his chosen hit person, Rebecca Peters.  She was virtually responsible in and by herself, for disarming Australia and hand picked by Soros as his individual to head up his gun control campaign.  Hungarian born and raised in NYC after leaving his Nazi occupied homeland.  He was originally born a Schwartz, of the Jewish relegion and his family changed their name to Soros, to escape persecution.  After arriving in the USA he became involved in trading funds, rapidly earning a good living and accumulating wealth.  But, his big score, is considered Black Monday in 1992, when he devalued 10 billions pounds and sold them short when the Bank of England refuse to budge on issued of floating currency or changing interest rates.  He apparently made 1.1. billion dollars or thereabouts.  Clearly and underhanded and slimy move.  But, most importantly, is his continuing efforts to promote gun control and just as importantly, his way of life on this country, from which he is not even from.  Whenever you hear his name, think evil.  He has no good bone in his body and everything he does is for boosting his own ego.  The easiest way to ban guns in this country, is for the UN to draft a treaty to that respect and have the US Ambassador sign it.  At that point, it only requires a majority of the US Congress and Senate to ratify the treaty and to pass it into law, as opposed to two-thirds majority.  That is how NAFTA was passed.  This is the strategy that Soros and Peters are concentrating on and all they need is a liberal president, hence the reason why they did not want George Bush in office.  John Bolton, depite his membership in the David Rockefeller foundation (I believe), held off all advances to let this occur and he should be applauded for his job.

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Quick one today.  Now this is not a bad guy or girl, but plain bad guys.  American physcians for the illegalation of handguns.  I am not going to single out one of these physcians, but all us data that is hightly flawed to make their case.  The study they most often state was published was in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1993 and would have never gotten published based on its scientific and statistical inaccuracies, but only because of the topic.  Here is a link to some of its criticisms.  Most MDs are not like these absolute lunatics, but alot of the academic types are, as they are the same type that do not like to work hard.  Here is the link:  http://www.aapsonline.org/press/medsentgun1.htm.  Go Duncan Hunter for President of the USA.
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>>FACTS TO PONDER :

>>(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000 .

>>(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000 .

>>(Calculation)

>>Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S.

>>Dept of Health Human Services.

>>Now think about this: Guns:

>>(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's

>>80

>>million..)

>>(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is

>>1,500 .(Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is

>>000188. Statistics courtesy of FBI So, statistically, doctors are

>>approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember,

>>"Guns don't kill people, doctors do." FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,

>>BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends

>>to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets

>>completely out of hand!!!!! Out of concern for the public at large, I

>>withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause

>>people to panic and seek medical attention!

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[QUOTE=Bigdaddy0381]

>>FACTS TO PONDER :

>>(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000 .

>>(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000 .

>>(Calculation)

>>Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S.

>>Dept of Health Human Services.

>>Now think about this: Guns:

>>(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's

>>80

>>million..)

>>(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is

>>1,500 .(Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is

>>000188. Statistics courtesy of FBI So, statistically, doctors are

>>approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember,

>>"Guns don't kill people, doctors do." FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,

>>BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends

>>to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets

>>completely out of hand!!!!! Out of concern for the public at large, I

>>withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause

>>people to panic and seek medical attention!

>>

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Interesting post.  I like the analogy of banning doctors, like banning guns.  Actually the number of accidental death is greatly exaggerated, just as are the facts use by the pro-guntrol advocates. 

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Speaking of liberal gun grabbers, I heard that vile, bombastic blowhard Rosie O'Donnel got canned from "The View" today.  I hope she doesn't find work elsewhere; I'll be glad when that obnoxious idiot's 15 minutes of fame expires.  Just the sound of her whiny, shrill, angry voice grates on my nerves.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Speaking of liberal gun grabbers, I heard that vile, bombastic blowhard Rosie O'Donnel got canned from "The View" today.  I hope she doesn't find work elsewhere; I'll be glad when that obnoxious idiot's 15 minutes of fame expires.  Just the sound of her whiny, shrill, angry voice grates on my nerves.

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I't really does not matter what politician gets in office because the Second Amendment guarantees law abiding U.S.A citizens the right to bear arrms. I am tired of having to worry if a Democrat is going to get in a political position because of their views on guns or any political partys view on guns. To me all this political stuff is beside the point. Our forefathers said we have the right to bear arms and by God that is what they meant it to be and stay that way. These anti-gunners are going to cause more problems if ( I pray to God not) they get there way.

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Originally posted by Narrow Gap Narrow Gap wrote:

I't really does not matter what politician gets in office because the Second Amendment guarantees law abiding U.S.A citizens the right to bear arrms. I am tired of having to worry if a Democrat is going to get in a political position because of their views on guns or any political partys view on guns. To me all this political stuff is beside the point. Our forefathers said we have the right to bear arms and by God that is what they meant it to be and stay that way. These anti-gunners are going to cause more problems if ( I pray to God not) they get there way.

 

 

 

 

Comrade your views are not those of progressive thought.  You should be sent to political re-eduaction.  Guns are bad, they are the tools of the evil colonial capitalist oppressors who choose to enslave the masses for thier own riches.  We seek non violent revolution through empowerment of the masses by education.  Futher evidence of your lack of evolution is a depence on some form of a deity, rather than the higher true self.

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Narrow Gap,

If there is no God, how can you have a God given right?  The Supreme court has interpted Jefferson' letter to the Danbury Bapist to mean that there is a seperation of Church and state.  The collary to that is that the court can now pick and choose natural rights based on it own views rather than those of our founders. 

 

BTW who pick who is on the courts?



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I Might be wrong on this but here goes.

 

 

Church and state.

 

 I was thought that the state was not to be in the church but the church should be in the state.

Reasons

State will corrupt the church.

Church will give the state morals.

 

 

 

http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/qmadison.htm 

 

 

 

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Narrow gap your ideas are backward to say the least.  If you read a previous post of mine, the easiest way to ban guns in this country, is through the UN, the same way NAFTA was passed.  It matters who is elected, not only as your President, because he has the ability to sway the votes of US congressmen, but your US representatives.  Politics aside, it just so happens that in general, Democrats are usually anti-gun and Republicans are usually pro-gun.  We can all name exceptions, but this generally the case.  The second amendment is teetering beneath our feet and unless we are proactive, we will lose the right to bear arms.  Go Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson.

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I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The people who we elect are the biggest players we have for gun rights. I also know that politicians are not the honest people on the planet. So they say one thing but when elected they do another. So I think we all need to be very careful of who we elect .One mistake today can lead to a life time of pain for all the gun owners in this country.

 

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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

I Might be wrong on this but here goes.

Church and state.

 I was thought that the state was not to be in the church but the church should be in the state.

Reasons

State will corrupt the church.

Church will give the state morals.

 

 

http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/qmadison.htm 

 

 

Big Daddy,

 

I will not say that your interpitation is wrong.  I will say that there are people who choose to see it in a differant manner.  The problem is that there are people in power who are looking for a "loophole" to use at thier convience.  If they can get rid of "God', then they have found a loophole..

 

Just think, it was not that long ago that there was a Rhoades Scholar who became a law professor who had trouble deffining the simple word "IS"...  Now, let that same sort of person define a word like "god" and what sort of thing could you get?

 

The Second amendment as a part of the Bill of Rights is said to be a natural or "God Given" right.  That means it therefore is somewhat dependant upon the existance of some form of god.  We live in a world that finds many forms of god inconvient.  Therefore it/they choose to ignore anything they/it find unpleasing.

 

My point is not get theological, but to set a frame work to define problem areas.  The baseline from which many of us would choose to work is ignored for more "progressive" ideals.   They define thier own more convient paradigm and take it from there. 

 

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