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Well, I'll start off by saying that I recently joined this sight but you guys have a ton of knowledge that I am trying to utilize. I've been reading various posts over the past few weeks but I decided to create my own. I just graduated college and my grandfather gave me the money to buy the gun I have been chasing, a Remington SPS tactical 308. I got a good deal on it ($550) from gunbroker and now I need some glass to put on it. The main problem that I have is budget. I am looking at around the 350-450 price range. I know that thats not much to work with but I need a very reliable starter scope. I want to do some longer range target shooting eventually (400-500yds) but I may also do some hunting with the rifle.
 
Right now I have basically narrowed it down to 2 scopes; either a Nikon Monarch with the turret knob accesories put on or one of the SWFA Super Sniper in the 10x magnificaton. If there are any others I should be considering please let me know. I like the mil-dot reticle but the BDC isn't bad either.
 
I also have a couple of questions about things.
1. What is the advantage of having the side parallax/focus instead of the rear focus?
2. What is it going to be like if I try to hunt with the SWFA SS being a fixed power?
 
Any and all feedback or recommendations are greaty appeciated.
 
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Hunting will be pretty tough to do with 10x.  You could wait for a while for the new variable SWFA SS that is coming out soon.  It will be a little over your budget but it will be worth it.  It will allow you to use it for hunting and for dialing in longer shots.
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good advice
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Y'all heard something on the pricing of the vari-SS? Come on break out with the info? Sorry about the hi-jack!

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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hunting will be pretty tough to do with 10x.  You could wait for a while for the new variable SWFA SS that is coming out soon.  It will be a little over your budget but it will be worth it.  It will allow you to use it for hunting and for dialing in longer shots.
 
Is there any idea on the release date?
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Originally posted by stylinj000 stylinj000 wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hunting will be pretty tough to do with 10x.  You could wait for a while for the new variable SWFA SS that is coming out soon.  It will be a little over your budget but it will be worth it.  It will allow you to use it for hunting and for dialing in longer shots.
 
Is there any idea on the release date?



"Soon"!

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Personal preference will vary, but I like no more than 2.5X out to 100 yards. (At 10X on my scope an elk would fill almost 3/4 of the FOV). So I consider 10X to be my 400+ yard magnification. I'd wait for the variable SS or choose something like one of the Bushnell 3200/4200 3-10X/2.5-10X 40mm scopes.
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Thanks for all of the input. What advantages are gained from using a side focus scope?

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It is easier to keep the gun mounted or at ready with the side focus other than that just personal preference, and they are this generation of optics I think the front adjustable objective will soon be phased out?  and I would go with a variable to start out.
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 I've heard that side focus was developed at the request of military snipers, who thought it helped in preventing the compromising of their concealment vs. reaching way forward to turn the objecive bell, resulting in more hand movement to give away their position to the enemy.
 Side focus is nice for benchrest  or other target shooting, but it is one more projection sticking out of the rig to catch on stuff while hunting.
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Be advised, if you are a lefty, side parallax adjustments suck.  It is overcome-able, but it takes some effort.

Having used both side- and front-parallax adjustments, I find that a finer adjustment is possible with the front- and it seems easier to get it right with the front-, but side is convenient (for a righty.)  Clarity and light transmission also are usually better on the front-adjust, since they need fewer lens elements to accomplish the same task.
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Then do you think it is worth the extra 50-75 for the side focus. I know that mostly its personal preference but I just want to hear your thoughts.
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If I understand the original question: side focus and objective focus affect the image focus at a particular distance, rear focus or ocular focus affects the focus of the reticle to your eye. I'm not a cetified expert or a current pert (i,m a prepert), but I think this is right.
 
I have both a side focus (on a Zeiss), and an objective focus (on a Leupold). I find the side focus much easier to use and not as confusing.
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Yea, "focus" ain't the best term to use.

Parallax and focus are not synonymous.  I would explain, but ILya would tell me I said it wrong, so I'll let him explain.

The focus at the ocular sets the clarity of the reticle but does not adjust the clarity of the target (or shouldn't be used to.)  There are versions of rear-parallax scopes, the Super Sniper is one example.  Most parallax adjustments are on the objective or the left side of the center housing; in that, you are correct.  There are a few rear parallax scopes, but they too have focusing oculars to focus the reticle.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Be advised, if you are a lefty, side parallax adjustments suck.  It is overcome-able, but it takes some effort.
 
Amen! A monkey and a football comes to mind.........Bucky  
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