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I am a first time scope buyer and am looking to get into something that can handle a lot of situations.  10 to 1000 yards.  (Longer then that would be nice, but is unrealistic for me at this point.)  Something that I could CQB style defend my home with or take to the range and shoot 1000 yards.  Something that covers all sorts of self-defense situations at various ranges and unknown distances.  It would have to be fairly durable, variable power that covers those ranges, First Focal Plane, good field of view, obviously accurate repeatable adjustments, matching turret/reticle adjustments, and have excellent overall glass quality.  Maybe no such scope exists? :(

What power ranges are best for my applications.  I have heard different things about what is more important at longer ranges (for me 500-1000 yards), some people told me high magnification, some said glass quality was more important.  (I don't know if it makes a difference but I am near sighted and wear glasses.)

At closer ranges some people have told me 3 power is ok, but definitely no higher then that.  Is that accurate?  How low does my minimum power have to be for CQB scenarios?  

Also not sure about whether I need illumination or not, and when exactly this would be useful.  Dawn and dusk outdoors I get that, but would it be any help in a night time home invasion situation?  

How important is the objective lens size?  I know it affects light transmission and exit pupil size, but not sure how important this should be for me in my situation.  

Have yet to do a lot of run and gun style shooting but would like too.  Not sure how important light weight should be in my scope decision.  How important is a zero stop in a stressful situation?  

What features would be an absolute must have for me, what would be higher priority but not 100% critical, and what would be nice but lower priority?  

I've been considering a lot of options, Steiner Military 3-12x50, Burris XTR II 3-15x50, Burris XTR II 2-10x42, SWFA 3-15x42, Kahles 3-12x50 (this is probably out of my price range, but would like to learn more before I rule it out.), Falcon Menace 4-14x44, Vortex PST 4-16x50. I'm been leaning towards the first 2, but seem to always learn more about one of the others that makes me reconsider.  

I don't really have a strict budget, but I don't want to pay top dollar unless it is really worth it. Would consider some other options that fit my criteria, but anything above $1100 is doable but not desirable.  $2000 plus is not in my budget right now.  

Would appreciate any help in answering these questions I have.  And also any scope recommendations people have that fit the above criteria?  Much thanks in advance.  Cool
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Welcome to Optics Talk. 

I'd include the SS 3-9x to that list as well. Matter of fact, I'd likely suggest the 3-9x SS for your "first" scope. The beauty of the 3-9x SS is in it's simple practicality.  

Might like it so much, it may be your last too. Wink
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Originally posted by Shanezkool Shanezkool wrote:

I am a first time scope buyer ............10 to 1000 yards.

Would appreciate any help in answering these questions I have.  And also any scope recommendations people have that fit the above criteria?  Much thanks in advance.  Cool
I hate to really be that guy but if you are a first time scope buyer/user I suspect, you ain't got no need for something for 1000yds. What is the weapon system its going on?  What caliber?
 
Lots of questions need to be answered first. 
 
Just to give you something to look at though -
 
I'd use something like this -
with a set of rings that had a pic rail on top or an offset mount to mount a red dot like this -
 
That would cover long range and CQB
 
 
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I really hate to be that other guy who is also going to poke some holes in your requirements. While someone who can win an international sniper competition with a 20-24" semi-auto is probably going to be pretty lethal with the same weapon at 50 yards, would he prefer to use it over a rifle configured ideally for shooting under 300 yards? I doubt it. And we're talking $4000 rifles with $3000 scopes. So even if budget were no limit, there are conflicting requirements that would still make it hard to create a one-size-fits-all package.

You can do a short-range weapon with a good scope for a reasonable amount or a long-range weapon for a little more. To echo advice above, start shorter range until you're sick good at it. I mean shooting out to 300 yards when it's boiling hot or freezing cold, and except when sighting in, with as much nasty wind as possible.



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If I was setting up a rifle with that much versatility in mind (and I have an AR in 6.5Grendel that is set-up for that, so I've gone through this exercise), I would be doing this:



That is still a bit beyond your stated budget, but not by too much.

To address a few other questions you had:
-For anything that remotely involves CQB, light weight is important albeit balance is even more important.
-Doing 10 yards to 1000 yards with a single rifle is tricky since speed and precision often do not get along well.  Still, that does not mean you can't try.

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ILya,

Have you used the Meopta reflex?  What is the slot on the right side?

That is an interesting price on what could be a great optic for this exact application.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

ILya,

Have you used the Meopta reflex?  What is the slot on the right side?

That is an interesting price on what could be a great optic for this exact application.

I just got done testing it.  Write-up is on the way.

The slot on the right is the battery tray.  

ILya
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Skip the Falcon Menance.

Add the Weaver tactical 3-15 to your list.

Try to see as many of them in person as you can.  They are all solid scopes, but only YOUR eyes will tell you for sure.
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Welcome to the OT!
 
All good info above ,take heed as these are the people in the know...................
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Thanks to everyone that responded.  Your advice is greatly appreciated.  I've ruled out the Kahles as too expensive and the Falcon Menace as the glass quality is not quite as good as I would like.  Still looking and learning.  Thanks guys.  
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My last response was short, after only a cursory read of your initial post.  This will be a bit more in depth.

First and foremost: all the people that said, at long range, more magnification trumps glass quality: stop listening to those people! I have a Tasco 6-24 for showing just why that argument breaks down and exactly where it breaks down.  There are entire threads, books even, that discuss this point, I will keep it short and simple: get the best glass you can on a scope that has very, very reliable and precise mechanicals.

Next, for a single scope that can do it all, expect to pay. Allot!  The only one I am aware of that does it all very well is S&B, especially if you are serious about the 10 yard shot.

My recommendation, like others, would be for a good mid-power scope and an offset red dot.  Again, a 1000 yard gun will not do great at clearing corners for the same reason a gun made to clear corners isn't a great 1000 yard gun.  I hunt big game AND I carry a gun while wearing a suit; there is no gun made that does both exceedingly well.  Rank your needs and expectations, get the gun/scope that fulfills the "must have"s and as many "would like"s as possible.  And do it in that order.

What rifle is it going on.
Do you have experience at long range shooting?
Will you be shooting mostly bench, prone, off-hand, field conditions, etc?
A budget would help (the S&B I would recommend is north of $3500.)
Mounts chosen?
Rifle marksmanship experience?
Any professional instruction, past or future?

That's a start.
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watch this . http://youtu.be/xgB22aXbbeI
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And this http://youtu.be/CX3hLSI59ko?list=PLJUaiRIEduNVLB9RTPI1cemyZ20II5ei8
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Watch all the sniper 101 videos , After I watched them it seems like the best scope for even up to $1000.00 is the swfa  10x . fixed power
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Urimaginaryfrnd , thats a  great scope but for some reason U S Optice  thinks point blank range is 50 yards so the close focus on that scope is 50 yards not 10 yards like He is looking for .
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