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they bring out the internet links where somebody supposedly proves that hydro shock doesnt exsist which i know it does exsist just wait if the right cat comes along he will howl.
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if your not reloading in large amts. perhaps a 9mm is a better choice. fairly cheap easily found. 357 sig is hard to reload for and good loads are hard to find. Personally its all shot place ment and I'll take a major 200 gr. hard cast semi-wadcutter up against anything in the same class of defence handgun.
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but isnt the 9mm terrible for accuracy?
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.357 sig brass isnt very expensive $0.249 a piece thats not bad
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Nah, a 9 will shoot as good as you and the gun.   Have you ever heard of Rudy Waldinger?  He is a world glass revolver shooter, up there with Jerry Miceluk.  But anyway I have taken a few classes from him and he is a Glock 9mm fanatic.  I seen him make 5 head shots from 50 yards in about a 4 or 5 inch group with his Glock 17.  So they shoot okay.

The problem with reloading a .357 sig is if you don't do it just right the bullets will fall into the brass.  I have a buddy who reloads for a living on huge scale and he hates them because he says have of them the have to pull and redo.  You don't have much area for neck tension and it causes problems.

For a defensive weapon you would be better off with factory anyway.  Less liability issues.  But that is probably not your purpose.  So reloading them is okay but it just sounds much more difficult than a straight walled pistol case.
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i guess thats a thought course i dont think i would reload pistol rounds any ways i wouldnt be shooting that much plus i am impressed with the performance, everybody has a 9mm
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You could always go with the 10mm.  Very fast, bigger bullet, and a straight walled case.  They have the new model 20 SF that has a smaller grip than the old models.  Pretty sweet gun.
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.357 out preforms the 10mm as well, i looked into it also
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in hanguns the power factor is set, it's like an equal lateral triange, power , speed, accuracy, If a gun has more power the configuration of the gun must be such that it allows the shooter both a level of accuracy and speed to make up for the "over power" of the particular cartridge, if not the case everyone should just shoot a 454 casuall.
125 gr lead "cowboy bullets" work best for practice ammo in reloading the 357 as any bullet will have a total over all length to long when using normal 9 mm  bullet, which cannot be used for the 357, the cases also are just a bit longer than a necked down 40 - so 40 s& w cannot be used. This severly limits the reloads available for self defence, if one goes that route. Aslo RCBS dies for 357 sig will work and give enough tension to hold the bullet, also a 375 cut off die can be used in the last stage to "SWage" the neck to the bullet and provide proper over all dimension.
any good 1911 45 acp can easily be loaded to any ballistic level of a 10, but just not commerically, This puts the load at about 23,000 to 24000 psi, and a power factor of 230-240 or a 185 gr in above the 1200 fps class.
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Dude you will shoot SO MUCH MORE with a pistol it ain't funny. 500 rounds on a Saturday is common.  Basic and cheap are must have.  If you are not being supplied by the tax payer don't even think about the .357 Sig.  The .38 super is more common brass wise.  Try walking in and paying cash for a case of either.
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i dont have time to shoot 500 rounds, i spend my time shooting rifles, i would just shoot a clip or two and that would be it.

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

.357 out preforms the 10mm as well, i looked into it also
 
Did the animals that you shot weight about the same and have the same amount of adrenilene flowing? What was thier weight?  What about broken bones, how'd that work for you?
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whoa now i never said  anything about shooting animals just ballistics here, i dont care about shooting animals with pistols either,
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i dont have time to shoot 500 rounds, i spend my time shooting rifles, i would just shoot a clip or two and that would be it.

 
That's like havein' ONE beer... The shake down cruise for any hand gun is 250 rounds.  By the way it gets VERY addictive. Dirty%20Harry
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not for me i work 6 days a week in the summer and its to cold to stay outside that long in the winter, im not worried about it. i know its addictive, but i couldnt use it for deer so there wouldnt be any reason to spend a lot of time shooting a pistol, for me it would be like a 22rf just another plinking device i bought 500 rounds of cci stingers 10 yrs ago and i gave 150 of them to my bro in law and now i have about 300 left still and i could shoot that all day too, but dont.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

whoa now i never said  anything about shooting animals just ballistics here, i dont care about shooting animals with pistols either,
 
It's the APPLIED ballistics that counts.  If you ain't shootin' living things then use a .22. Stiring%20The%20Pot  Try going to a bowling pin match and see what's used.Wink
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dont care! speed and energy #s on that little bullet are almost the same as a 160gr bullet from a .357mag check federals ammo they arent to far appart. the .357 sig is 110 fps faster and the .357mag puts out 33 ftlbs more of energy than the .357 sig does at the muzzle step out to 25yds and the .357sig still out runs the magnum by almost 100fps and is only 49ftlbs of energy behind the magnum

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

.357 out preforms the 10mm as well, i looked into it also
 
Negative, sorry P.
I load for both.
If you are looking at the standard watered down factory fodder in 10mm, the .357 wins. Look at Double Tap for 10mm and you'll see what I am talking about. When it comes to the hottest in each, a .357 out of a longer barreled revolver, 6"+, will indeed run with the 10mm, I have a choice between several .357's and my G20. I carry the Glock 10mm.
The 10mm or the .357 Sig is not a good choice for an only gun, regardless. Ammo is expensive and harder to find.
The 4" med frame .357 will allow you to target, hunt and carry in one package. It still isn't a deer gun much outside 40 yards and may be a bit much for self defense but it will do all of them. The ammo is eveywhere and you have the bonus of shooting .38 Special.
In an auto I would take the 9mm and forget about hunting. Ammo is cheap, everywhere and practice comes easy. I love my .45's but the 9 makes good sense if it is a first gun for a beginning handgunner.
 
 
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well we will go that then its still close enough i wouldnt know the difference, and neither would the target you shot even if reloaded the 10mm and .357 sig are close check imr/hodgdon's guide 147gr .357 sig vs 155gr 10mm isnt any where near a big difference, 30-40fps. i would take the .357 magnum over either
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