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while glocks are pretty good from the factory, 2 items of theirs drive me nuts. The damn front finger rest and the front sites. Will have some picts. later, but I usually take the finger rest off, but front sites---.   Most are plastic mouldings, that when shrink, do so unevenly, and center along the sides is lower than the edges. This causes a hazing or shadow becakuse the light is not reflected evenly off the surface. The other problem is the sights are the same width regardless of the slide length (site radius) and thus the light bars are different widths, amongst a sample of guns. Using a one sided rasp I work the sites down to the correct width for that gun. About .12 for shortys and .15 for longys.
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In my opinion the originals are not to be used anyway.
Black on black for target shooting, and tritium for more serious work.
Used to mount Bomar sights and Novak frontsights for target.
 
 
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Hey Dale can you elaborate on the front finger rest?  Pictures?  I agree the sights are not great.
 
A common complaint is the grip angle - I'd agree.  This drives me nuts.  I've got two Glocks now on opposite ends of the spectrum, a 24C and a 26.  The compensator on the 24C barrel 'tames' the snappy 40S&W.  Some people talk of flashes from the compensator but it's been a minor issue for me.  Just hate the grip angle. 
 
The 26 is easy to shoot well and the grip angle is less of a problem because it's so short.  I put finger extensions on my magazines and it helped.  I've shot the 40S&W (G27) version of the sub-compact and with 180 grain rounds it tends to buck up in your hand every shot (to the point where you feel as if you have to re-grip) making it difficult to remain accurate in rapid fire. 
 
 
 
 
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compared to the good sights on a 1911 they should snicker and  a glock should shudder. I'd prefer a .110 blade like the one on a wilson or clark comp. the notch on the trigger guard , which holds the index finger of the left hand. Usually the low profile and grip angle is a saving grace, (and I'm not pointing any fingers at Sigs.). Are you using  a thumbs over thumbs hold???
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Yup.  Both thumbs pointing forward.  I don't use the finger rest - my supporting hand's index finger is with my other fingers, over the fingers of my other hand which are grasping the grip.
 
I do like the low profile/center of gravity of the slide.  Glock does this as well as anybody.  However I much prfer the grip angle of a 1911 or Sig for that matter.


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I don't think th egripangle is the problem, but the "backstrap" that goes into the hand.
We use to do this conversion on glocks and the grip get entirely different.
Here on a G19, but on a full size grip the feeling is far better.
 
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Technika,
    That looks sweet, I have a 23 for consealed carry and just all round shooting and thats the rub, I like the size and the .40 but the sights are not the best. I guess I have to give up something to get clean draws from the belt rig I'm using.  
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A set of trijicon nightsigths for example?
 
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I haven'y seen too many Bomars on Glocks. Good one, Technika.
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tech has got a good point, timber to you have a flat backstrap or the hump on your 1911 and which one do you like. the hump backs were designed to push the barrel up when the 1911 is shot from the hip, as in a speed rock.

tech did you fill in the grip before the flattening???

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Yepp grip filled first.
Here is the full grip covered with beadblasting sand, of the wrong colour.
 
From the beginning I was machining in std. dovetailed BomarBMCS sights, but that doesent look as good as the BOMAR flat base on the previous picture.
It's of course an orignal Glockslide, they are not as difficult to machine in as many use to tell you.
 
However this is jobs i did in the past, I dont' do it anylonger as I find development of new products far more facinating.
 
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nice solution to both problems.
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[QUOTE=www.technika.nu]I don't think th egripangle is the problem, but the "backstrap" that goes into the hand.
We use to do this conversion on glocks and the grip get entirely different.
Here on a G19, but on a full size grip the feeling is far better.
 
You're right.  It's probably more of the backstrap hump that 'drives me nuts'.  I remember years ago the first time I handled a glock (after coming from Sigs) remarking to someone "what's up with the grip?".  He laughed and said that's a common complaint for people first handling a Glock, especially if they were used to a Sig or HK.  He also said it literally forced some to shoot high until they got used to it although that never happened to me.
 
I'd say for me it's the hump AND the angle but if they'd remove the hump I could deal with the angle.  Dale, I don't own any 1911's but my experience has all been with straight grips.  I'm also waiting like a lot of people for Glock to do a single stack sub-compact and a single stack or smaller grip (smaller than the new SF) 45 and 10mm.
 
A couple of things so impressed me with Glocks that I eventually got a few (also had a sequenced pair of 34's);  the very low center of gravity/high grip, the finish (what's it called?  Tenifer or something like that?) and of course the durability factor.  Incidentally, the factory trigger pull weights on my 34's and my 24C (also the 35) are about a pound less than 'regular' glock trigger.  I like my Glocks but I don't 'love' them.
 
 
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I hate them, plastic smells, square slide, I keep trying to break one to get rid of it but can't, but every time I put one up against a combat commander in a timed exercise in concealed carry the times and scores are compareable. Guns built all wrong, just like a leo, but somehow they just work. Have you looked at the 38 in 45 Gap.

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I was very annoyed first time I realized I shoot much better with a stock Glock in IPSC than my own custom paraframed 1911.

Generally I miss low when shooting 1911, while I hit with the glock.
 
Glock is probably the best service pistol of all times, and probably the easyest pistol to learn a beginner to shoot. (Ipsc style NOT target)
 
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Haven't tried the 45 GAP.  The slide looks slightly unbalancec(?) or oversized, which of course I've read Glock says it has to be to handle the heavy grain rounds' recoil.  But I do like the smaller grip.  It appears from sales statistics I've seen that it is floundering.  It's a good idea though.  I want to wait to see if it sells better because I'm concerned about factory ammo availability.
 
As far as Glock vs. 1911 I think the reason Glock often excells in some competitions (in spite of the hump & grip angle) is because of the high grip/ low center of gravity of slide.  It's definitely better in that respect than a 1911.  And even better compared to a Sig or HK USP.  But you'd think the much crisper single action trigger of the 1911 would even things up some.
 
Glocks are easy to learn but from a safety standpoint for a beginner true double actions pistols are much better.  Any pistol that requires pulling the trigger to disassemble has to be handled carefully.
 
 
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Comments on the Glocks:
1.  Reloading - Biggest complaint is the unsupported chamber for .40's, which makes reloading "iffy" and shooting them expensive.
 
2.  Sights - Yes, they are plastic, but the white dots are a good idea (which is why they've been copied).  We've used a touch of typewriter whiteout on other handguns to make black sights show up better on a black target.  The white dots help you correct for the Glock's bad grip.  
 
3.  Grip - This is a major reason for I'm not fond of the Glock.  It's just too big around for no good reason.  This keeps it from being a natural pointer (for me, at least).  Whether I'm using a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, I want to be able to bring it up with my eyes closed and have it pointing in the right direction every time.  (They've just come out with a slightly smaller grip on a new model.)
 
4.  Durable and rustproof - The Glock will probably last longer than I will (especially given  the price of .40 caliber factory ammo).  This is one of the pistol's best attributes 
 
5.  Reliability -I've seen "occasional" shooters jam this pistol regularly by using a light hold.  This makes it a really bad choice for them.  It requires a firm grip.
 
I don't view the Glock as a target pistol.  It's primarily a combat/self defense gun, for a reasonably experienced shooter.     
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1. The .40 brass looks terrible, but it is reloadable. All shooters that i know of shooting .40 is reloading their own ammo.
 
5. I think this reliability issue is interesting.
I have seen shooters haveing reliability problems with Ruger Mkll .22 cal!!!!
Not because of a bad gun but because they have a way of moving the gun backwards when they shoot.
Begnnners that of some funny reason "makes" the gun recoiling, and when the gun moves backwards there is nothing for the bolt to work against and there is a jam.
So with that said Iam just pointing out that there is a number of shooters that have a negative behavious that makes cycling problemes that not can be blamed on the gun.
I know many female shooters that never have problems with their glocks and therefor I cannot agree that there is a reliability problem with glock.
 
I view glock as one of the best IPSC pistols ever, and it is possible to almost as shoot as good with it as with a 1911. The 1911 wins when there is longer of more difficult shots, but the Glock wins with it's reliability.
EVen thoug the reliability of 1911s are high on a well made customgun, mostly competitors lack of maintenance and their own "custommizing" are reduzing 1911 reliability considerably.
 
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limp wristing is common, the recoil is broken at the wrist instead of the forarm, new shooters will suprizingly have more trouble with a 9mm than a 45 because the recoil impulse isn't high enough to make the gun work anyway.

slide on the gap isn't any larger than a 40. the 38 could just be the best balanced handgun I've ever used. the best carry load is the WW silvertip.

reloading in the 40 just needs slower powders HS6 or similar will bring it up t specs without any pressure signs. However it does not make major, which is usually done with a 200 gr bullet and this is were things get interesting.

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Before I started shooting Glocks I always used the grip angle argument as well.  But the fact is it is just a training issue.  If you spend 15 or 20 minutes doing dry practice and get used to it, it becomes a non issue.  I shoot both the 1911 and Glock and it always just takes a few minutes and I am shooting either one just fine.  I have owned and trained with XDs, sigs, rugers, berettas, 1911s, glocks, hi powers, and in the end the glock is one of the best defensive pistols out there, it is simple, safe, reliable, accurate, it just works.  I honestly think most of the glock issues come about from people who have just heard from other people whats bad about them and then that person agrees and forms an opinion before that actually spend some time with one.  And spending time with one is putting 1000 rounds down range over a 3 or 4 day class, not just popping out a couple a mags of ammo.  But in the end what it really comes down to is training, any gun will do if you will do.
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probably should clarify "limp wristing" which has come to mean anything. A term used to mean a jam caused by incorrect gun recoiling attributed to several factors. Had an instructor who would hold the 1911 at the bottom with only an index finger and thumb, then with the gun at rt. angles would with the right index finger toggle the trigger back and forth to illustrate that grip pressure was'nt a factor.
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I have been taught to use the modified weaver stance and the push pull technique.  Push forward with the right hand and then wrap the support hand around the firing hand but not tight.  And then pull back with the left hand.  You should push and pull to the point you hands begin to shake and let off a bit.  If you do this properly then limp wristing will not happen.  It also helps control the recoil and upon recoil (if you are tucking your left elbow properly) your front sight falls right back into line with your with your eye and target, making for very very fast follow up shots.  Obviously not the only way to do it, but it really does work well.
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An expert shot can "make it happen" with darned near anything that shoots.  I've got my badges, and am comfortable with just about any reasonable firearm.  However, I'm very  careful when advising casual shooters about self-defense guns.  Murphy is alive and well.   I don't ever want to set someone up for the nightmare of a pistol that won't shoot.  Reliability (even in inexperienced hands) is the most important characteristic of any firearm. 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I have been taught to use the modified weaver stance and the push pull technique. 
 
This works for range fighting with paper. Whatever gun is carried you need to practice from one hand, point shooting at close range, sitting, weak hand, etc, etc. One thing is for certain, when trouble comes it will not be at our convenience.
 
 
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